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And Theo is the first guy to check the weather while considering building a team? It's too bad the Tribune company didn't have Tom Skilling in their employ all those years .... oh, wait ....

Of course, that must explain why the Giants never won while they were in Candlestick Park.

I suppose therefore that variable wind is to blame for the rest of the teams that aren't perennial winners too.

I guess that's why, say, visiting Yankee fans are often seen marveling at the capricious wind changes in our fair city.

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Do you really not understand the concept of building a team to fit a park? Why do you think there have been so few successful left-handed pitchers that have played for the Red Sox? Why do you think there have been so many more power-hitting lefties than power-hitting righties wearing Yankee pinstripes? Why do you think Mauer and Morneau have seen a sudden decrease in their power numbers that coincides with their team's move to a new park? Now take a park that plays radically differently about half of the time. You find it absurd to think that might play a part in the difficulty many smart baseball men have had in putting together a championship team that plays there? :roll: :roll:


No, I was eye-rolling the suggestion that Theo was the first person to ever think about that with respect to the friendly (and oddly windy) confines .... which therefore is not hard to extrapolate that I think it's bleeding obvious, important, and therefore generally assumed that such factors are taken into account.

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No, I was eye-rolling the suggestion that Theo was the first person to ever think about that with respect to the friendly (and oddly windy) confines .... which therefore is not hard to extrapolate that I think it's bleeding obvious, important, and therefore generally assumed that such factors are taken into account.


I never suggested that Epstein was the first guy who ever thought of such a thing. You stated such a thought was stupid and then tried to drag Candlestick Park and its long history of World Series champions :roll: into the conversation.

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How many consecutive posts can DT & JORR have using the eye rolls??? :roll: :P :lol:

I think Wrigley is certainly a factor in years of losing, but there are much bigger factors than that. Sucky management; Sucky players.

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Wouldn't that be a fairly easy thing to research, i.e., have the Cubs had a significantly worse home-field advantage than the rest of baseball?

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Shockingly, I agree with JORR

Day games and the bi polar nature of how the ballpark plays DOES make it more difficult

But every team has unique challenges


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Wouldn't a strong pitching staff negate any issues with the wind?


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Wouldn't a strong pitching staff negate any issues with the wind?

Yeah, if theyre good enough


But I do think it would be best to have a bunch of all around type guys. I mean the 20 homerun guy whose also a good baserunner instead of the power hitter that becomes useless in cold weather


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Wouldn't a strong pitching staff negate any issues with the wind?


It nearly did in 1969.

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Wouldn't a strong pitching staff negate any issues with the wind?


It nearly did in 1969.

and 2003


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There were a few curses in 2003. Dusty and the middle relievers would be two of them.


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
No, I was eye-rolling the suggestion that Theo was the first person to ever think about that with respect to the friendly (and oddly windy) confines .... which therefore is not hard to extrapolate that I think it's bleeding obvious, important, and therefore generally assumed that such factors are taken into account.


I never suggested that Epstein was the first guy who ever thought of such a thing. You stated such a thought was stupid and then tried to drag Candlestick Park and its long history of World Series champions :roll: into the conversation.


Well, I frankly don't know then where I got the idea you did. Therefore, I'm an idiot.

That was not meant sarcastically.

:roll:

That also was not meant sarcastically; I was just trying to continue the run of using that smilie.

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Bring out the leaches. The bloodletting from the Hendry era is on...

Cubs Baseball Information Manager Chuck Wasserstrom fired
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beni hanna wrote:
Bring out the leaches. The bloodletting from the Hendry era is on...

Cubs Baseball Information Manager Chuck Wasserstrom fired
Longtime Hendry assistant Oneri Fleita fired
Cubs stats analyzer Ari Kaplan fired but still a "consultant"

Asst GM Randy Bush is in 'good standing'...


That's kind of dumb that Ricketts signed the guy to a 4 year deal.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Shockingly, I agree with JORR
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Day games and the bi polar nature of how the ballpark plays DOES make it more difficult

But every team has unique challenges




Agree day games are a substantial hurdle..but the park plays the same every year....Wind blows in most of april and may..little less in june/july and august and a lil more in september...overall a pitchers park probably 55% of the time.

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Mini Ditka wrote:
beni hanna wrote:
Bring out the leaches. The bloodletting from the Hendry era is on...

Cubs Baseball Information Manager Chuck Wasserstrom fired
Longtime Hendry assistant Oneri Fleita fired
Cubs stats analyzer Ari Kaplan fired but still a "consultant"

Asst GM Randy Bush is in 'good standing'...


That's kind of dumb that Ricketts signed the guy to a 4 year deal.




Ricketts is not a smart man...the Wilken extension was very dumb..made no sense...A smart man would have fired Lou and Hendry the first week on the job...gave nobody an extension or vote of approval until Epstein came in and cleaned house and refilled positions.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Shockingly, I agree with JORR
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Day games and the bi polar nature of how the ballpark plays DOES make it more difficult

But every team has unique challenges




Agree day games are a substantial hurdle..but the park plays the same every year....Wind blows in most of april and may..little less in june/july and august and a lil more in september...overall a pitchers park probably 55% of the time.

Right but the mere fact that its 55/45 and not mostly one way or the other, like most parks, is a hurdle in iteself.


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Right but the mere fact that its 55/45 and not mostly one way or the other, like most parks, is a hurdle in iteself.
The day games are a problem because players are often hungover for them but both teams are playing the same field so I don't really think how Wrigley plays matters.

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Right but the mere fact that its 55/45 and not mostly one way or the other, like most parks, is a hurdle in iteself.
The day games are a problem because players are often hungover for them but both teams are playing the same field so I don't really think how Wrigley plays matters.

Yeah, on a day to day basis that's true, but when building a team it comes in handy to have park that you can take advantage of.

The Braves can bulid around pitching. The Astros can load up on power hitting righties etc.


Hard to do it when the park is bi-polar


Im not saying its a huge deal, but its a relatively unique challenge.


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I don't think it is as hard as you imagine...This division blows most seasons.you are the huge fish in a very small pond..you have the option to spend 200 mill if you chose to..with a small amount of production from the farm system and getting FA's ..the division should be doable every year..get an Ace ..get a good 2 and 3 and sprinkle on some mediocre for the 4-5..and get a left handed power hitter..some on base guys who play defense...Not hard...mostly common sense...if Theo can't sew up this division yearly starting in 2014-2015..I will be disappointed.

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Im getting real tired of SCORE hosts (Finfer the latest) telling me the Cubs are on a 5 year plan and wont be good til at least 2016.

Are you insane? Have you followed MLB, or really ANY sport in the last 20 years?

There are no 5 year plans to win.

You idiots are confused. Let me walk you thru it.


It may take 5 years (or longer) to completely overhaul the minor league system and the way things are down thru the organization.

Here's the important part: YOU DONT HAVE TO TANK 4 STRAIGHT SEASONS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
Next year, they'll be better. Hopefully either Rizzo or Jackson will do well. You'll have Garza/Samarzija or the prospects from a Garza trade and some money to play with (Not talking BIG FA, but a couple here and there guys)

The team should approach .500 next year.

By 2014, there's no reason they shouldnt be making a run at the NL Central. 3 years is enough time to move some things around and get a team you like on the field. I also expect them to spend money going into 14



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Im getting real tired of SCORE hosts (Finfer the latest) telling me the Cubs are on a 5 year plan and wont be good til at least 2016.

Are you insane? Have you followed MLB, or really ANY sport in the last 20 years?

There are no 5 year plans to win.

You idiots are confused. Let me walk you thru it.


It may take 5 years (or longer) to completely overhaul the minor league system and the way things are down thru the organization.

Here's the important part: YOU DONT HAVE TO TANK 4 STRAIGHT SEASONS TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.
Next year, they'll be better. Hopefully either Rizzo or Jackson will do well. You'll have Garza/Samarzija or the prospects from a Garza trade and some money to play with (Not talking BIG FA, but a couple here and there guys)

The team should approach .500 next year.

By 2014, there's no reason they shouldnt be making a run at the NL Central. 3 years is enough time to move some things around and get a team you like on the field. I also expect them to spend money going into 14



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Everything I said is true and Theo has admitted they are behind schedule. This should a been the year to start trying to win

And thus is year 3, btw


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I'm not attacking Cub fans when I say this. I'm defending them. How could anyone not be offended by organization mouthpiece Len Kasper cheerleading another last place finish for a draft pick? It's ridiculous. Anyone who espouses such a philosophy doesn't really understand how baseball works. You won't be drafting LeBron James.

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I'm not attacking Cub fans when I say this. I'm defending them. How could anyone not be offended by organization mouthpiece Len Kasper cheerleading another last place finish for a draft pick? It's ridiculous. Anyone who espouses such a philosophy doesn't really understand how baseball works. You won't be drafting LeBron James.


LeBron can jump really high so there's that.
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And thus is year 3, btw

2 years behind. Not the worst outcome. Look at the Astros. Woof.


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I gotta admit, I am kind of jealous they'll get another top 3 pick next year. Crazy!

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If the season ended today the Cubs would have the 4th or 5th pick. They are tied with Astros and .5 game behind the Rockies and 1.5 behind the Rangers. The race for Daz Cameron (or Brady Aiken) is on!

1. Texas Rangers
2. Houston Astros (compensation for not signing Brady Aiken)
3. Colorado Rockies 1.0
4. Chicago Cubs 1.5
5. Houston Astros 1.5
6. Arizona Diamondbacks 3.5
7. Philadelphia Phillies 4.0
8. San Diego Padres 4.0
9. Minnesota Twins 5.5
10. Miami Marlins 6.5
11. New York Mets 7.0


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I'm not attacking Cub fans when I say this. I'm defending them. How could anyone not be offended by organization mouthpiece Len Kasper cheerleading another last place finish for a draft pick? It's ridiculous.
Because its the Cubs and its not Hawk.

Roger was 100% correct 2 years ago. There really is no good reason that the Cubs should not be competing for at least a WC spot this season.

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this is sorta like dropping a nuclear bomb on a city becuase it will be so much nicer when its rebuilt.

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