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PostPosted: Tue Jul 22, 2014 3:55 pm 
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C'mon Kirko. You can jump all over Scorehead for any number of things, but him saying $5 mil as opposed to $4.75 mil isn't one of them. Toe-may-toe, toe-mah-toe

No, as usual he's talking in binary terms. McCown is guaranteed 4.75M. That means at minimum a cap hit of $2.375 spread over 2. Everything else is base salary and/or performance escalators. That is not a horrible deal for an insurance policy. I wonder if McCown's performance last year was worth $5 million?

Oh woah woah woah McCown only suceeded b/c of Tresty and his system Scorehead will say. Well Tampa will have two trees in Vincent Jackson, Mike Evans, Sefarius Jenkins at TE and Doug Martin at RB with a solid unspectacular OL. The Bucs will have a killer defense given all their young talent.

ATL and CAR are rebuilding of sorts so the division/wild card is right there and one half of the ball you know will kick ass. I would love to be shown why spending fine let's say $5m on a Glennon insurance is a stupid decision. The worst case Glennon proves to be for real or McCown sucks so he gets cut thereby eating $2.375M of their cap next year. I think that's a GOOD gamble. Details are tough to grasp for SH.


I fully understand the details. Lovie signed McGowan to be the starter which will hinder Glennons progress. This is the offensive genius Lovie showing his love for another old journeyman player which gets in the way of developing a promising young player who was your #1 draft pick. Good luck Tampa Bay.

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I think fans want Lovie to fail. He has a decent young QB who made good progress last year, yet Lovie would rather pay McGowan $5 Million a year to be the starter. The Bucs should have written Offense out of Lovies contract.

The $5M criticism is bullshit.
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The journeyman quarterback will make $4.75 million in 2014-15 and $5.25 million in 2015-16, the sources told Schefter. The deal also guarantees $4.75 million, a source told ESPN.com's Michael C. Wright. McCown's agent, Michael McCartney, confirmed the two-year deal.

He can earn $5 million more in incentives -- $1 million each year for playing time and another $3 million for reaching the playoffs, sources told Schefter.

Only $4.75M is guaranteed which is always only what matters. He's a decent insurance policy if Glennon doesn't perform. Simple as that. But please, bleat the B&B stupidity horn of not understanding situation or context.


"Only" $4.75M? Didn't Lovie sign McGowan to be the starter? Who pays a backup $5 Mill?


I believe the Bears paid Jason Campbell 4 million a year.


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I fully understand the details. Lovie signed McGowan to be the starter which will hinder Glennons progress. This is the offensive genius Lovie showing his love for another old journeyman player which gets in the way of developing a promising young player who was your #1 draft pick. Good luck Tampa Bay.

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Frank, Scorehead's la-la land of facts is why he gets jumped on. Glennon was a 3rd round pick.

Lovie has never changed except all 5 of Bucs draft picks were on the offensive ball. Cal QBs were criticized for being a product of Jeff Tedford's sytem. Well, well, well, McCown is criticized for being a system QB. Appears to be a nice match for a small committment.

Clearly do not understand any of the details or situation in Tampa.


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You would be in the minority when it comes to his ability to coach a defense.


Who did he ever coach up and make a better a player? I cant think of one guy. He has a system and if you have good pieces in place his system works. I dont appreciate a damn thing he ever did.


Regardless of what players he had his defense was good to great every year. His defensive ability was proven even more in his absence

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C'mon Kirko. You can jump all over Scorehead

This is kinda funny :lol:





You could jump on him for using his real name when he first signed up.

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I fully understand the details. Lovie signed McGowan to be the starter which will hinder Glennons progress. This is the offensive genius Lovie showing his love for another old journeyman player which gets in the way of developing a promising young player who was your #1 draft pick. Good luck Tampa Bay.

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Glennon was a 3rd round pick.


Yup. Good catch.

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GLEnnon looks like a young McCown...

If Lovie is smart he learned a great deal in the last Year or so...well see, I think he's a dummy...4-5 Hall of famers look good in ANY defense . I don't like Cutty...he's a turnover machine n injury prone...we never would of known how great Alshon is if Jay wasn't injured....I hope he gets better...I don't see it...he's a dumb q.b. ...McCown is smarter...I hope Jay throws 35 Tds n 10 ints n starts 20 games . wins the super bowl....I just have my doubts ...he's the highest paid player in he nfl this year..i believe ...he's probably worth 8-9 million per year...the 13-15 best qb in league this year.

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They don't believe he is ready and they think McCown can bridge the gap until he is ready. They also believe McCown is a good mentor and can help him develop. They may be a playoff team this year but in a year they're going to be really tough to beat.

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MCCOWN was a good pickup , and it makes a divisional foe weaker...Evans was a great pick....they have some talent but I just dont see Milkdud getting the fumbles n ints like he had here.

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They have a GREAT young defense.

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Glen non and cutler had eerily similar numbers last year

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You would be in the minority when it comes to his ability to coach a defense.


Who did he ever coach up and make a better a player? I cant think of one guy. He has a system and if you have good pieces in place his system works. I dont appreciate a damn thing he ever did.


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I feel like it's just silly to ignore the correlation between Lovie's tenure and the Bears easily leading the NFL in takeaways during that time span. He clearly had an impact and was not a bad coach by any means. He wasn't great.

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I feel like it's just silly to ignore the correlation between Lovie's tenure and the Bears easily leading the NFL in takeaways during that time span. He clearly had an impact and was not a bad coach by any means. He wasn't great.


It just seems weird that anyone could think differently even if you didn't like all of his decisions as a head coach. He's a really good head coach and a great defensive coach.

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I feel like it's just silly to ignore the correlation between Lovie's tenure and the Bears easily leading the NFL in takeaways during that time span. He clearly had an impact and was not a bad coach by any means. He wasn't great.


It just seems weird that anyone could think differently even if you didn't like all of his decisions as a head coach. He's a really good head coach and a great defensive coach.

And the players love him

Great defensive coach for sure. Head Coach story still being written but good so far


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I feel like it's just silly to ignore the correlation between Lovie's tenure and the Bears easily leading the NFL in takeaways during that time span. He clearly had an impact and was not a bad coach by any means. He wasn't great.


It just seems weird that anyone could think differently even if you didn't like all of his decisions as a head coach. He's a really good head coach and a great defensive coach.

And the players love him

Great defensive coach for sure. Head Coach story still being written but good so far


Even if you've got a great mind for the game it's very important to get the players to buy in. He was a father figure for most of them. That type of leadership keeps teams from going 4-12 even with injuries and a mediocre roster.

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Also pretty difficult to win without great QB play. He never had a top 10 QB his entire time here.

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You people have a poor memory , he was 13-40 against the teams .500 or better...he cost us a Super Bowl. Lovie didn't teach Tillman how to punch the ball out...he had 5 hall of famers on defense , the greatest return man in history .

I don't give a damn if his players like him...Tom Coughlin isn't a softy like Lovie or very well liked...but he's won 2 super bowls...

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You people have a poor memory , he was 13-40 against the teams .500 or better...he cost us a Super Bowl. Lovie didn't teach Tillman how to punch the ball out...he had 5 hall of famers on defense , the greatest return man in history .

My memory is fantastic. Who are you comparing him to? Among current NFL coaches he's in the top ten.

Amazing how he keeps lucking into great defenses (Bucs, Rams, Bears) and very coincidental that Tillman just happened to become a turnover machine as soon as Lovie took over.

Cmon dude. Are you really saying Lovie's focus/obsession with turnovers didnt play a role in Tillman's ball punching prowess?


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he had 5 hall of famers on defense


Two, maybe.

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he had 5 hall of famers on defense


Two, maybe.

Well Peppers probably goes in but he didnt have HoF Peppers.


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Yeah this is making me want to puke. :lol: :lol:

The players loved Lovie because they got to do whatever they wanted and had no consequences for poor play on the field. Yes his defense had a lot of takeaways but that is a product of the system he runs and the ball punch craziness that Charles Tillman does. If you want to credit Lovie for that, OK...I think its something that all coaches teach their players but for some reason Tillman just has a freak ability to do it. Let's also not forget that his special teams only had the greatest return man of all time in his prime.

Look at seasons when Urlacher got injured or before Peppers. When the slightest thing went off kilter with Lovie his whole system collapsed and he got exposed as the gimmicky horseshoe-up-the-ass coach that he really is.

EDIT: And all of this is just focusing on what he does well... His blindness to anything offense hurt the team year after year.

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Come on Hank. Of course the system will fail when anchors like Urlacher get injured. When he had healthy players his best seasons saw the Bears limit opponents to 12-15 points per game in an offense first era. TOs are more than just Tillman, it's coaching players to run after ball carriers incessantly to pry the ball loose and pick up any loose balls. That seems fundamental but not every team instilled that habit like Lovie, as evidenced by numerous players on other teams not playing through the whistle and not gang tackling ball carriers.

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Yeah this is making me want to puke. :lol: :lol:

The players loved Lovie because they got to do whatever they wanted and had no consequences for poor play on the field. Yes his defense had a lot of takeaways but that is a product of the system he runs and the ball punch craziness that Charles Tillman does. If you want to credit Lovie for that, OK...I think its something that all coaches teach their players but for some reason Tillman just has a freak ability to do it. Let's also not forget that his special teams only had the greatest return man of all time in his prime.

Look at seasons when Urlacher got injured or before Peppers. When the slightest thing went off kilter with Lovie his whole system collapsed and he got exposed as the gimmicky horseshoe-up-the-ass coach that he really is.

EDIT: And all of this is just focusing on what he does well... His blindness to anything offense hurt the team year after year.


You realize Tillman wasn't the only player forcing turnovers? They led the NFL in turnovers by a wide margin while he was head coach. Yes the defense wasn't as dominate when Urlacher got injured earlier in Lovie's career. As time passed they didn't miss a beat regardless of who went out. The defense and his leadership ability is the reason why the Bears never won less than 7 games after Lovie's first year.

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I suppose we will see what happens in Tampa. If they become Bears turnover machine 2.0 then I'll admit I was wrong. I still think that Lovie is more smoke and mirrors than good coaching. Certainly not a head coach I would ever want for my team again.

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