"steroids do not make you a better player"
"you can envision all of these guys in the hall of fame without steroids"

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

I certainly cannot envision Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, or Rafael Palmiero in the Hall of Fame without steroids. Others apparently agree.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Another Frank Thomas apologist...

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During the off season Len was very confident that Edwin Jackson would be better because the numbers said so.

muscles dont make you stronger

strength doesnt help in baseball



Just stop, Len. Seriously.

This guy is a joke of epic proportions.

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

Still way better than Chip Caray


Way

Not all the numbers. Here's a case of a guy's W/L record being a better predictor than his K/BB, etc.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

We all know he couldn't have meant that steroids don't make you a good baseball player and you ahd to be agood at baseball and then use to be great. Nah, he couldnt have meant that.

Mike Lansings 20 HR season the traded to Rockie where he signed a 3 year, $15 M deal, was all because of the roids? No....he would have had a journeyman carrer probably without it, maybe would have made vet minimum. The juice made him really good and gets a contract offer, without the juice he is just a guy.

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

I don't know. Maybe if Ed Farmer says something like that, and you just "happen to flip the game on" at that point, you can start a thread about it.

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uh huh

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Yeah.

2-1 pitch to Beckham on the way...

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McGwire write that?

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Barry Bonds is a Hall of Famer. Roger Clemens is a Hall of Famer. I'd have to think about any others, but those guys are automatics.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Naggahappan.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

Posthumously.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

I wonder if in 20 yrs. he & his family will be sitting on the couch waiting for the HOF to call them on local TV.

Remember reading an SI article on Clemens in my youth where it described him pitching a game and after he was taken out, going on a 5 mile run through Boston. Even in my youth I doubted that but it did not seem to phase reporters

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Clemens is overrated

Not true

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2018
#ExtendLafleur
10 More Wins

True.

Cheater since 96 at least and he shrunk from the biggest moments

No way you will ever get me to admit it.

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2018
#ExtendLafleur
10 More Wins

Exactly

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2018
#ExtendLafleur
10 More Wins

That Eric Walker guy worked for the A's. He developed many of the ideas that Billy Beane gets credit for.

I understand what he is saying. I also believe a juiced ball had more to do with the ridiculous numbers than drugs. But what the drugs did do was allow players to play into their 40s without any decline in performance and often better than they had when they were at what would have been their natural physical peak.

The Hall of Fame is largely based on the accumulation of numbers. There are some fine lines there. If a juiced ball is helping what would traditionally have been an 18-20 homer guy hit 35-40 and now he gets four or five more seasons at the end that guys like Mantle and Mays didn't have, well, 500 homers is suddenly a lot closer. I never once watched Rafael Palmeiro and thought, "Wow! That's a great player!"

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

oh what could have been if only cindy had the same keen sense of spatial recognition as you!

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Has anyone else gotten the feeling recently that Len and JD don't like each other very much? Recently there have been some awkward silences and seemingly uncomfortable responses to each other's dialogue. And I don't think it has to do with building a rapport because in past years I never noticed it. They seemed to broadcast well together before.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Jim

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Typical Cubs "fan."

Doesn't know what the hell is going on.