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No doubt in my mind Bryant will be better. Baez could be Korey Paterson. I'm concerned about him having 1 walk for every 4 strikeouts.

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No doubt in my mind Bryant will be better. Baez could be Korey Paterson. I'm concerned about him having 1 walk for every 4 strikeouts.

Patterson didn't have enough power to justify the K's. Hopefully Baez will


Coud be Jose Hernandez


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I'd let Baez hit 3rd in between Castro and Rizzo.... Does anyone have an issue moving Alcantara down to the 6, 7, or 8 spot until he comes back around with his approach at the plate?

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I'd let Baez hit 3rd in between Castro and Rizzo.... Does anyone have an issue moving Alcantara down to the 6, 7, or 8 spot until he comes back around with his approach at the plate?

Baez in the four hole for now.


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The Situation: On Monday, the Cubs announced they will be calling up IF Javier Baez from Triple-A Iowa, in time to make his debut Tuesday night in Coors Field. Baez will be playing second base, with Arismendy Alcantara shifting to CF. Baez ranked as the no. 1 prospect in the Cubs system in the Baseball Prospectus offseason Cubs Top 10, no. 4 in the offseason Top 101, and no. 5 on the midseason top 50.

Background: Baez was selected in the first round of the 2011 draft, as the ninth overall selection out of Jacksonville, Florida. The ’11 class was absolutely loaded with talent, and Baez is the second high school player selected in the first round to make his big-league debut, behind Dylan Bundy. With power to burn, Baez has smashed his way through the minor-league levels in short order. He slugged 161 extra base hits in 1,350 minor-league PA—a small number for a high school player to be deemed major-league ready.

After playing a handful of games in 2011, the infielder was sent to the Midwest league in 2012, where he put up a .333/.383/.596 line in 57 games, and scuffled to a .188/.244/.400 line in 23 other contests after being promoted to High-A. Baez’s prospect stock ballooned in 2013, as he combined for a .282/.341/.578 slash, with 37 bombs between High-A and Double-A. However, Triple-A proved to be a worthy test for Baez, especially in April, as he battled approach issues to a .619 OPS. He warmed up with the weather, culminating in a blistering July (.999 OPS). This is becoming a trend for Baez, often performing better as the season progresses, making adjustments as he goes.

Scouting Report: A divisive prospect to be sure, Baez has physical gifts that are nearly unparalleled anywhere in baseball. His bat speed is elite, and will stick out like a sore thumb from day one in the major leagues. He has extreme confidence at the plate, and shows big time swagger in the box. Watching him take batting practice, he loves to put on a show, and can change the trajectory of his home runs, a very impressive skill. Some are laser beams, while others are towering flies deep into the night. The swing is violent, but he has average barrel control; impressive for someone with an extreme bat wrap. Usually a bat wrap is a reason to write off a prospect’s chances, but the bat speed, coupled with superb wrist and forearm strength, help Baez make up for his deficiency. The issue with having such supreme bat speed is that Baez believes he can hit anything out of the park, and it’s important for him to swing only at pitches he can drive. The profile is that of a home run hitter, not a power hitter—he’s looking to hit the ball to Mars, not drive it deep into the gaps. (Here's Ryan Parker's analysis of the swing, from earlier this year.)

It’s no secret that Baez is going to have a steeper learning curve than most prospects. His game is still raw, and the approach at the plate needs a lot of work. It’s partly a pitch recognition issue, coupled with a violent swing that leaves him exposed to pitches down and out of the zone. Right now, falling behind in the count is a near automatic out, so he’ll need to stay in fastball counts or ambush early. Pitchers know this and will likely try the “hard in/soft away” method. With his current plan of attack, that seems to be the most logical idea. The adjustment to major-league offspeed offerings is going to be the biggest hurdle for Baez, as he’s likely going to be eaten alive for the first go around the league. He’s a mistake hitter—which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, because 30 or 40 mistakes a year could go into orbit—but well executed sequencing is going to cause Baez to scuffle. While it's fair to be hopeful thanks to Baez's aforementioned ability to adjust, adapting to major-league pitching is a whole different animal. Temper expectations, because it could take 1,000 PA before it starts to come together.

Baez could be a big-league shortstop given additional reps and patience on the developmental front. This approach would be reasonable were he a middling hitter whose value depended on his ability to stick at short. Fortunately for Chicago, neither of those things is true. So while he has the athletic ability and arm to stick at shortstop in the long term, Starlin Castro’s presence beside him, coupled with Addison Russell’s presence behind him, make second base a better fit for Baez in the near and distant future. He’s got solid average range for the keystone, and shouldn’t have any trouble maneuvering around the bag. The angles, instincts, and nuances might take a bit to flash in game action, but he’s a good enough athlete to make up for some inexperience. His arm should be a big time weapon at second, grading out around 6+. Baez looks to be a solid-average defensive second baseman long term, and to top it all off, he’s a 5 runner who might have some moderate impact with his legs.

Immediate Big-League Future: The game is going to move fast for awhile, so it’s important to be patient. Baez is going to have nights where he looks absolutely horrible for three PA, and then launches one over the scoreboard at Wrigley. With time, he could be a major-league average hitter, and if that’s the case, the power is going to play at or near an elite level—the raw power is an 8. He might make some miscues in the field, as he doesn’t carry the same confidence in his glove as he does in his bat, but the skill set is a tough one to ignore. Second basemen who hit 40 home runs don’t come along often, if ever anymore, and Baez’s impact is franchise altering if it all comes together. —Jordan Gorosh


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 Post subject: Re: OFFICIAL BAEZ THREAD
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I'd let Baez hit 3rd in between Castro and Rizzo.... Does anyone have an issue moving Alcantara down to the 6, 7, or 8 spot until he comes back around with his approach at the plate?

His approach at the plate is good. He has 8 walks already. No one has thought he had sub par at bats. He is a high strikeout guy.

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25 k's in 21 games is a little much for me. I think a 3 to 1 strikeout to walk ratio can be refined. I have high hopes for the guy... At least until Almora is ready.

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Haugh just wrote a Ty Griffin comparison article.

Ty Griffin!!

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Today's the day!

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I'm starting to get the sense that Baez has high expectations from Cubbie Nation.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Haugh just wrote a Ty Griffin comparison article.

Ty Griffin!!

He never played a game in the majors. I remember that he was a bust but not one fucking at bat


He wasnt even that great in the minors. 9 years in the minors he hit .257


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Haugh just wrote a Ty Griffin comparison article.

Ty Griffin!!


Good to see Rick Telander has someone ready to jump right into his spot of worst newspaper sports guy in Chicago once he retires or gets taken away by robots.
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I'm starting to get the sense that Baez has high expectations from Cubbie Nation.


i'm thinking low-end comparison is george springer and the high end comparison is brett jackson, erm i'm sorry mike trout. i get them mixed up all the time from hanging out on the CSFMB of yesteryear.

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I'm starting to get the sense that Baez has high expectations from Cubbie Nation.


I'm starting to get the sense that he has even higher expectations from Soxxy Nation.

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I don't have any expectations. I'm just happy it's finally put up or shut up time.


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I don't have any expectations. I'm just happy it's finally put up or shut up time.


That's still about 3 years down the road.

Now is the time for the guy to get 125-150 at bats and strike out 40-50 times, hit about .250, and try to knock out 7-10 HRs. Maybe even get a few walks.

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Baez sparking World Series talk. I agree with callers saying this year is unreasonable but NLCS isn't out of the question.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
I'm starting to get the sense that Baez has high expectations from Cubbie Nation.

Yeah, its a little out of hand.


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Baez sparking World Series talk. I agree with callers saying this year is unreasonable but NLCS isn't out of the question.
I would find it very strange that a major network would put a prospect on as a pre/post game analyst for the 2014 or 2015 World Series.

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Keyser Soze wrote:
I don't have any expectations. I'm just happy it's finally put up or shut up time.


Theo is slippery. Set no timelines and people will never hold you accountable.

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Kirkwood wrote:
Baez sparking World Series talk. I agree with callers saying this year is unreasonable but NLCS isn't out of the question.


Randazzo spent the 6-6:30 hour yesterday saying that the big four AB were must watch TV right now.

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Keyser Soze wrote:
I don't have any expectations. I'm just happy it's finally put up or shut up time.


except it's not. This prospect is not a Theo pick and has some very obvious potential shortcomings. This is the beginning of what will be a two or three year process at least.

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I don't have any expectations. I'm just happy it's finally put up or shut up time.


Theo is slippery. Set no timelines and people will never hold you accountable.

so...he'll never get fired?

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Kirkwood wrote:
Baez sparking World Series talk. I agree with callers saying this year is unreasonable but NLCS isn't out of the question.


Randazzo spent the 6-6:30 hour yesterday saying that the big four AB were must watch TV right now.

Grote and Dustin were discussing this morning when Theo will trade Baez to make sure no Hendry guys are on the World Series team. :lol:


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good dolphin wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Baez sparking World Series talk. I agree with callers saying this year is unreasonable but NLCS isn't out of the question.


Randazzo spent the 6-6:30 hour yesterday saying that the big four AB were must watch TV right now.

Ridiculous

Its the Big 5


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good dolphin wrote:
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I don't have any expectations. I'm just happy it's finally put up or shut up time.


Theo is slippery. Set no timelines and people will never hold you accountable.
Hoyer recently said the pitching is 18-24 months away.

So, that takes it to year 5, possibly in year 6. Did even the most pessimistic of Cubs fans really think it would take half a decade to be good again?

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Kirkwood wrote:
Baez sparking World Series talk. I agree with callers saying this year is unreasonable but NLCS isn't out of the question.


Randazzo spent the 6-6:30 hour yesterday saying that the big four AB were must watch TV right now.


They are if you're a Cubs fan. I've got my DVR set already.

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