Right, I already stated I'm not excusing what Stewart did or his role in it. I just disagree with minimizing Ward's role in it. He wasn't suicidal, but he was a dumbass. Just like I don't Stewart is homicidal, but I do think he is at the least very stupid and reckless.

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That's only partially true. In reality, he is dead due to poor judgements and bad decisions on both guys parts.

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I'm not sure it's fair to accuse Nascar of being tone deaf here.

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well if ward had slowed his roll a bit and thought things through, and thought through the fact that it is tony stewart we are dealing with here, a guy with a history of anger management issues, then perhaps he thinks twice about approaching a car stewart is driving. outside of that, he did nothing that sentenced himself to death. stewart chose to make a volatile situation overly dangerous and eventually deadly. he didn't like getting shown up by a 20-year-old, his ego wasn't going to take that and he recklessly killed the kid. i don't think stewart is a murderer, but his recklessness was what did that kid in. what a terrible situation.

well we will never agree on that - ward would have lived but for the actions of stewart. he drives by ward and nobody on this board even knows there was a race last night. you can then retort that if ward didn't get out of his car stewart would have had to be put in that position, and then i can say if stewart decides not to race it never would have happened, and then you can say if ward is never born he wouldn't have been racing last night, and we can go back to the beginning of time. fact is, tony stewart made the decision to purposely try to intimidate and endanger a young driver and THAT decision killed a man. ward did not deserve to die for being a hothead.

I'm pulling for the comeback. Who doesn't love an underdog story?

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Why do you keep bringing up weird strawman arguments? I never said award deserved to die. I said his stupidity played a large role in his death. The video confirms this.

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greg zipadeli, stewarts crew chief, had some poignant quotes this morning. he's a real sweetheart. that team needs to be quiet:


Earlier Sunday morning, Zipadelli told reporters that Stewart would take part in the race, saying it was "business as usual." Zipadelli later told Fox Sports that Stewart is "going through a tough time, it's emotional for him."

They can probably make a rule that you can exit the vehicle because.....idk sometimes these things are on fire... However you must stay near it and show no aggression towards another car nor walk recklessly across the track. No more walking up to a car and chucking a helmet or gloves or giving a 1 finger salute into the windshield or punching kurt busch in the face. If you pull that then you are gone for a year. I can't remember anyone ever getting hurt in NASCAR doing this stuff but you know they will react and adapt after this regardless.

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i am simply disagreeing with your assertion that he was 50% responsible for his death. he is 0% responsible. he lives but for the actions of stewart. nothing strawman about that. you and i just disagree, thats all.

It's incredible to me that someone can watch that video and say he is 0% responsible for his own death.

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Every other non-Nascar champion driver managed not to hit the accelerator and kill the guy. Maybe running him over is what good drivers do. The kid was 20 and not 17 as first reported I think. Doesn't matter though, most of these guys have been racing for a decade at that age.

I don't think you need a law degree to see that the kid was at least partially responsible for what went down.

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not everyone is going to agree with our points of view. we both see the same result, a guy ended up dead. our points of responsibility just differ. yours is when he got out of the car. mine is when stewart made his decision to intimidate him. as stupid as ward was, he should have lived to hear about it.

I don't think anyone is suggesting Stewart is close to blameless here.

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Agreed.

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That wasn't a response in any way towards your post, just happened to be after yours. Honestly it doesn't matter in the least to me how much of it was the kid's fault as long as Tony's DRQ (death responsibility quotient) is >0.

It doesn't matter how we try to quantify it. At the end of the day, the water cooler story will be, "Tony Stewart killed someone while racing."

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any one of us would have been charged with involuntary manslaughter

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Tony stewart should be HOPING thats how it is remembered.

Caution essentially means, "slow down and don't hit anything." It doesn't mean, "accelerate towards someone you see walking towards you."

Every race has instances of personnel on the track during a caution period and its the driver's responsibility to not cause an accident. Stewart didn't merely not avoid Ward, he tried to get close to him.

I hope he gets charged with vehicular homicide.

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I agree with all of that, Kong.

But I still think the guy was a nut for walking in front of moving vehicles, regardless of how common it is. As a general rule, try not to put yourself in situations where the slip of a hand or foot could kill you.

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Victim blaming isn't that helpful though. I mean Rodney King shouldn't have fled from the cops, but that he did didn't give the cops the green light to beat his ass. That's why I said I didn't really care how much we want to blame the guy, if it's 99% or 1% his "fault," Tony Stewart was the only guy that ran his head over during a caution flag.

I feel the same way. Lets face it though, these guys are all kind of nuts anyway. You assume a certain amount of risk every time you are around a race track, this includes spectators.

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But was it a "slip of the hand or the foot"? Stewart apparently hit the gas on purpose. He needs to go down for this. Not to hard to drive around the guy.

You are allowed to say that both are responsible for the death.

Like with me. I know the risk of asking women on dates. Does that mean that they aren't wrong for slapping and/or kicking me or the one time when she tried to light me on fire?

I used to operate a sweeper truck when I lived in Ottumwa. We did the track in Newton. It was cool but a pain in the ass. Most of the drivers are crazy as are the race officials. They really do not care about anything but getting the race in. I always was treated well though and got to be in the pits all day and met a lot of cool people.

No, I wasn't saying it was a slip this time. It's just always a possibility.

And yes, they all have to be a little crazy to begin with.

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Well I don't think we're solving the problems of the world here.

But in a civil trial, percentage of negligence could absolutely make a difference, depending on the state's tort laws. Maybe Spada has already made a couple calls.

I don't think anyone is trying to absolve Stewart. He needs to go down.

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Armchair, uninformed, and most likely stupid speculation from me here, but Stewart's culpability may depend on an unprovable: did he intend to intimidate the other driver by doing whatever he's suspected of doing on the film. Sure, the other guy is not acting with caution by walking out there, but on the other hand that doesn't mean Stewart has a blank check to screw with the guy and not face repercussions. He didn't have to engage, if in fact he went out of his way to engage.

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