Stewart is to blame but if you are on a RACETRACK wandering around looking for a fight it may be your last one. So we get what we have here.

Unnecessary disclaimer vegan. It describes all of our opinions. This isn't a court of law.

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NASCAR needs to suspend him immediately. They have someone who can do that right?

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Not really unless they feel it is in their best interest

That's the bottom line.

Where were all the other cars who narrowly avoided hitting him?

A driver is pissed and hops out onto the track. So that means it's open season? A caution flag does not mean drive as close as possible to the guy on the track and suddenly gas your car. How hard is it to avoid him?

Talk about blame the victim.

His family will win the Civil lawsuit vs. Stewart. It will be OVER 30 million for a "wrongful death".

So... who has disagreed with this? I'm not trying to be argumentative... I just don't see anyone defending Stewart.

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I would have to say this was not a case of a slip of a hand or foot. He drove as close as possible to him and gassed his car. He did not walk in front of Stewart's car. Drive around him and this doesn't happen.

I will say for the 3rd time that this was not a slip of the hand or foot, but a slip is always a possibility so it is not smart to walk in front of moving race cars.

And he did walk in front of the cars. It was a terrible decision.

And again, I am in no way saying this absolves Stewart. He should be brought up on criminal charges and removed from racing.

Saying the guy made a dumb decision and blaming Stewart are not mutually exclusive. No one here is defending Stewart.

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Question: Has this happened before? Where a guy runs out and get hit but isn't hurt badly or at all? Or has somebody been hurt badly or even died? Or is this the first time somebody got hit in the history of this stupid sport?

How did all the other cars he walked in front not run over him? Only one did and it was the one who hit the throttle. Is he the first driver to ever get out of a car on the track?

That's what it looked like to me too. And even as a casual observer I know Stewart's reputation. But it's interesting hearing differing viewpoints from guys who really know auto racing. Is it really common for a driver to get mad and play toreador in front of race cars?

And from a criminal standpoint, Stewart's state of mind is pure speculation. I think most people on a jury would wonder why a guy was running around the track jumping in front of cars while a race was going on. I'm sure it might be easier to win some civil award, but I think the same reasoning applies. Is a driver really supposed to be expecting to come face to face with a pedestrian during a race?

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I just watched the video again. There is only one car who even comes remotely close to him and he drove to the left to miss him. The next car in the frame is Stewart's and he does not try to drive to avoid him. He did not walk in front of anyone's car. I can't see how this could be considered a face to face confrontation.

I think it's a car to face confrontation.

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That blue n white car had to swerve to avoid the moron...it was very close...he shoulds been hit there.

then Stewart (immediately behind blue car) hit him...if I'm stewarts spokesman I say ..Tony didn't see said moron til the last second n swerved to late to avoid him. There is absolutely zero chance that any charge is filed...Stewart will continue to race....I am no fan of Stewart or NASCAR .

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Well, he kind of did. He was hitching and stopping and starting like a guy crossing a street against the light in the middle of rush hour. But I'm asking, because I don't know. There's a lot of shit going on out on a racetrack. Should a driver be expecting a guy on foot out in the middle of the track? Obviously the fact that they were under a caution makes it bad for Stewart. In that case, I would think the drivers are supposed to be looking out for anything. And it sure seems like Stewart goosed his car on purpose to fuck with him. None of us really knows what he was thinking though. His rep for being a hothead sure isn't helping him.

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Regardless on anyone's opinon, I think Stewart will avoid any type of serious punishment for this. I still think it's horseshit.

I don't think it will ever see a criminal court. I would expect him to be sued. I would also have to think NASCAR would want to suspend him for a good long time, but when I see an official tweet like the one Favre Fan posted earlier in this thread, I have to wonder. I mean, it pretty much said, "Yeah, one of our drivers died. We all feel bad. Now let's go racin'! Boogity, boogity, boogity!"

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Civil suit on the way.

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But it is business as usual...as it should be.


NASCAR has been around since the late 40's. ....69 drivers have died since then...one year 5 drivers died...those numbers are drivers only...not counting crew or marshals. its a dangerous hobby...that's one reason its popular .

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That's true. But I don't think it's about a driver dying. It's about the way this particular driver died. I'm not sure how many of those other guys have been run down while on foot.

How big is that bullring anyway? Is it a half-miler?

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Running onto the track during an active race is incredibly stupid.

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Except it wasn't an "active race". They were under caution. When race tracks are under caution, there are almost always people walking on the track. Hence the caution.

This is like a baseball player getting mad about something in the game and walking toward another player while yelling. Then the other other player kills the angry player with a baseball bat. Many in this thread are saying "whelp, I guess he shouldn't have walked toward another player that was holding a bat!".

I can't list all of the drivers that I have seen get out of the car in anger, and walk toward another car under caution while yelling and screaming. Stewart himself has done it many times. Somebody getting run over while they do that is not the norm - in fact it's never happened. This kid died at the hands of one driver that night. He didn't get run over by multiple drivers, even though a couple dozen of them happened to be on the track while he was out there. It's the same driver that hit him during the race, it's the same driver he was yelling and pointing at. NOT a coincidence.

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Throw the book at him!

Has there been any word on criminal charges or the investigation?

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There are no criminal charges pending at this time,” Ontario County Sheriff Philip Povero said at a news conference. “We have reviewed the investigation to this point with the Ontario County district attorney. At this very moment, there are no facts in hand that would substantiate or support a criminal charge, or indicate criminal intent on the part of any individual.”


If Law and Order and other TV dramas are realistic he can be picked up at ANY time

When I saw the video and I have only watched it once because I don't care to watch it again. The car in front of Stewart looked like he swerved pretty good to not make contact with the guy.

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spany, I know there are people on the track at cautions. I don't watch a ton of racing, but that much I know. From what I've seen, the people on the track during cautions are dressed in neon/brightly colored clothing, are driving in vehicles that have flashing lights on them, and don't run at the other cars on the race track.

I think a baseball game is played in a different arena. Last time I saw a game, which was yesterday, there were not 1000+ pound machines moving around at high speeds on the baseball diamond.

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On-track beefs seem to be a big part of the sport. Has anyone ever died in a wreck that was the result of one of them?

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If I'm on a jury in a criminal case, I don't see how I can say that he was guilty by a reasonable doubt.
If I'm on a jury in a civil case, I don't see how I can say that he isn't guilty by at least 51%.

Are we really going to put Tony Stewart in jail for his whole life because he hit someone with a car who was coming at him on foot going more than expressway speeds? Even if Stewart made an error in how he was driving that is still hard for me to do. It still isn't a normal situation for any driver to have to swerve on dirt to avoid a man who is coming at you and trying to get as close as possible.

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