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The kid definitley takes some responsibility for his own death, in my opinion. I know others have ran on to the track during cautions when raging but this was bound to happen eventually. Did he deserve to die? No. Did he play a part and is somewhat responsible for his own death? Fucking obviously.

That said, Tony Stewart should be suspended for a long time. Like spanky said, this was definitley no coincidence. He tried to intimidate the kid by speeding by him and fucked up and killed him. I understand you can't throw him in jail because there's just no way to prove he meant to hit him. However, this was wreckless, homocidal behavior that will most likely be brushed off completely and that's a shame.


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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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Am I only the one who was surprised to learn that it was NOT against the rules to get out of your car on the track during the race?

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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"Assistant District Attorney" Spiegel says Stewart will be able to tell his side when it goes to trial... :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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Trying to scare this kid by hitting the gas while driving past him was incredibly stupid
Running onto the track during an active race is incredibly stupid.

Except it wasn't an "active race". They were under caution. When race tracks are under caution, there are almost always people walking on the track. Hence the caution.

This is like a baseball player getting mad about something in the game and walking toward another player while yelling. Then the other other player kills the angry player with a baseball bat. Many in this thread are saying "whelp, I guess he shouldn't have walked toward another player that was holding a bat!".

I can't list all of the drivers that I have seen get out of the car in anger, and walk toward another car under caution while yelling and screaming. Stewart himself has done it many times. Somebody getting run over while they do that is not the norm - in fact it's never happened. This kid died at the hands of one driver that night. He didn't get run over by multiple drivers, even though a couple dozen of them happened to be on the track while he was out there. It's the same driver that hit him during the race, it's the same driver he was yelling and pointing at. NOT a coincidence.

Stewart didn't hit him. The kid put himself into the wall trying to avoid losing a couple spots.


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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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I don't follow racing, but I don't understand why people can't agree that running on a track with race cars on it is dumb.

And it is pertinent to discuss, as any type of civil suit will likely account for contributory negligence and it could play a major factor.

Tony Stewart made a very, very stupid mistake that may cost him his freedom or a lot of money and cost another person his life. But the fact that the kid was partially responsible is pertinent.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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Am I only the one who was surprised to learn that it was NOT against the rules to get out of your car on the track during the race?


No. I don't know how that's widely accepted as OK.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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Stewart didn't hit him. The kid put himself into the wall trying to avoid losing a couple spots.

Well, their cars made contact before he spun and hit the wall. Call it what you want, they hit each other - resulting in the kid being wrecked out of the race.

Ryan Newman wrecked in the Cup race yesterday - they threw the caution flag as a result. He then got out of his car, unassisted, and walked down the track several hundred feet/yards to another driver's car. If he gets run over by any vehicle at that point - some of you are saying that would be Newman's fault? Of course not.

One car hit this kid, one car killed this kid. Several other people managed to not hit him.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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And one person who got out of his car is dead. Do you agree that if he stayed in or near his car he is still probably alive this morning?

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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On-track beefs seem to be a big part of the sport. Has anyone ever died in a wreck that was the result of one of them?

Not that I know of.

In NASCAR, when an angry driver is out on the track (on foot) and clearly waiting for somebody to pass by, the driver they are waiting for usually goes well out of their way to avoid the angry driver - driving on the other side of the track, driving down pit road, stopping, etc - and many times you hear the crew chief on the radio telling the driver to "look out" or "stay away" because the other driver is upset. Nothing good can happen at that point - he's gonna try to damage your car, or damage you personally, or show you up, etc - stay away from them and then continue doing your job.

Stewart didn't do that.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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And one person who got out of his car is dead. Do you agree that if he stayed in or near his car he is still probably alive this morning?

Frank, with all due respect - you clearly don't watch the sport. I have seen several hundred drivers get out of their car, under caution, and walk on the track. For a variety of reasons. It happens.

I have never, ever seen anybody get killed as a result. I've never ever seen anybody get run over. I've never seen anybody get even slightly injured as a result.

There is only one reason why this situation resulted in a death. It's not the actions of the guy that did what several hundred other people have done.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
And one person who got out of his car is dead. Do you agree that if he stayed in or near his car he is still probably alive this morning?

Do you agree that if Tony misses him like every single other driver did, that he is alive this morning?

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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Stewart didn't hit him. The kid put himself into the wall trying to avoid losing a couple spots.

Well, their cars made contact before he spun and hit the wall. Call it what you want, they hit each other - resulting in the kid being wrecked out of the race.

Ryan Newman wrecked in the Cup race yesterday - they threw the caution flag as a result. He then got out of his car, unassisted, and walked down the track several hundred feet/yards to another driver's car. If he gets run over by any vehicle at that point - some of you are saying that would be Newman's fault? Of course not.

One car hit this kid, one car killed this kid. Several other people managed to not hit him.

I'll crucify Stewart for killing the him, but the wreck is on the kid.


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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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If he stayed in or near his car, is he still alive today? YES or NO </BabyMcbigfan

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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Stewart didn't hit him. The kid put himself into the wall trying to avoid losing a couple spots.

Well, their cars made contact before he spun and hit the wall. Call it what you want, they hit each other - resulting in the kid being wrecked out of the race.

Ryan Newman wrecked in the Cup race yesterday - they threw the caution flag as a result. He then got out of his car, unassisted, and walked down the track several hundred feet/yards to another driver's car. If he gets run over by any vehicle at that point - some of you are saying that would be Newman's fault? Of course not.

One car hit this kid, one car killed this kid. Several other people managed to not hit him.

I'll crucify Stewart for killing the him, but the wreck is on the kid.

You can actually see Stewart kind of swerve out towards him as they are sliding out. I think he was trying to pinch him up high out of the groove. That's a typical racing thing. Not a big deal IMO.

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And one person who got out of his car is dead. Do you agree that if he stayed in or near his car he is still probably alive this morning?

Do you agree if people didn't get on that Malaysia air flight that got shot down they'd be alive today?


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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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spanky wrote:
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And one person who got out of his car is dead. Do you agree that if he stayed in or near his car he is still probably alive this morning?

Frank, with all due respect - you clearly don't watch the sport. I have seen several hundred drivers get out of their car, under caution, and walk on the track. For a variety of reasons. It happens.

I have never, ever seen anybody get killed as a result. I've never ever seen anybody get run over. I've never seen anybody get even slightly injured as a result.

There is only one reason why this situation resulted in a death. It's not the actions of the guy that did what several hundred other people have done.

I happen to watch it quite a bit, and don't agree totally with you.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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If he stayed in or near his car, is he still alive today? YES or NO </BabyMcbigfan

This is Tony Stewart, in the black firesuit. The green car (Kenseth) could have sped up and swerved towards him, our just stayed away.
Tony Stewart is still alive today after this incident. Hmmmm......... (And <gasp> this happened during an "active race"):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC8Jyuryc_s

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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And one person who got out of his car is dead. Do you agree that if he stayed in or near his car he is still probably alive this morning?

Frank, with all due respect - you clearly don't watch the sport. I have seen several hundred drivers get out of their car, under caution, and walk on the track. For a variety of reasons. It happens.

I have never, ever seen anybody get killed as a result. I've never ever seen anybody get run over. I've never seen anybody get even slightly injured as a result.

There is only one reason why this situation resulted in a death. It's not the actions of the guy that did what several hundred other people have done.

I happen to watch it quite a bit, and don't agree totally with you.

Which part do you disagree with?
You've seen people run over before?
Killed?
Injured?
You've never seen hundreds of drivers get out of their car under caution and walk on the track?

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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Its a yes or no question that you haven't answered yet, spanky. Though you are a smart guy, you clearly know what the answer is.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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spanky wrote:
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And one person who got out of his car is dead. Do you agree that if he stayed in or near his car he is still probably alive this morning?

Frank, with all due respect - you clearly don't watch the sport. I have seen several hundred drivers get out of their car, under caution, and walk on the track. For a variety of reasons. It happens.

I have never, ever seen anybody get killed as a result. I've never ever seen anybody get run over. I've never seen anybody get even slightly injured as a result.

There is only one reason why this situation resulted in a death. It's not the actions of the guy that did what several hundred other people have done.

I happen to watch it quite a bit, and don't agree totally with you.

Which part do you disagree with?
You've seen people run over before?
Killed?
Injured?
You've never seen hundreds of drivers get out of their car under caution and walk on the track?

I have seen them do it and I just think it is very fortunate that this hasn't happened before. I don't see any way I can totally blame Tony. You see it different and you are on quite the crusade to repeat your points.

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Its a yes or no question that you haven't answered yet, spanky. Though you are a smart guy, you clearly know what the answer is.

It's a stupid question, Frank. Save your stupid questions for BigFan.

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If the kid never started racing he'd also be alive today. What an idiot.


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Its a yes or no question that you haven't answered yet, spanky. Though you are a smart guy, you clearly know what the answer is.

It's a stupid question, Frank. Save your stupid questions for BigFan.
Now that is a stupid answer.

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you are on quite the crusade to repeat your points.

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Imagine you see this one line story: "Man hit and killed while standing in traffic and yelling at cars on expressway." Who are you blaming?

So what changes here that absolves this guy of blame?

I think the best answer here is that both people have a lot of blame.

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If the kid never started racing he'd also be alive today. What an idiot.

:lol:

Monica Seles would have never been stabbed if she didn't play tennis and beat that lunatic's favorite player. Dumb broad.

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Imagine you see this one line story: "Man hit and killed while standing in traffic and yelling at cars on expressway." Who are you blaming?

So what changes here that absolves this guy of blame?

I think the best answer here is that both people have a lot of blame.

"Man hit and killed while standing at the scene of accident: Emergency workers and lights/sirens were on the scene at time of accident"

Little different, no?

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I will be interested to hear what several of the other drivers have to say when this comes out also.

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Emergency workers and lights/sirens were on the scene at time of accident"

Little different, no?
Yeah, its different if you make things up that are not true.

Emergency Workers were not on the scene at the time Ward was hit. They were on their way, but they were not there quote yet.

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"Man hit and killed while standing at the scene of accident: Emergency workers and lights/sirens were on the scene at time of accident"

Little different, no?
That isn't what happened though. He wasn't standing there. He was putting himself into traffic.

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