The intent matters. It's one thing to hit the guy while trying to avoid him, and it's another to hit the guy accidentally while only trying to scare him because he pisses you off. The guy standing in traffic is dumb, but it doesn't mean you have the right to scare him off the road by using a speeding car as your instrument. Will never know intent here obviously.

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Frank, again. Some basic knowledge of the sport is needed in order to continue.

There was a caution. That immediately lights the flashing yellow lights all around the track. Rescue workers then immediately turn on their lights around the track and begin to move. The pace car comes out, again with lights flashing........all of these had already happened - seeing as how they had already completed another lap around the track.

Maybe refrain from saying that I'm "making stuff up that isn't true".

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Ok. Again, that has happened many times. I don't want to repeat myself too much. Frowned upon.

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This guy gets it. You can guess (at least somewhat) at Stewart's intent though because:

a). Tony was involved in the initial accident
b). Tony was the target of the guy's anger
c). Everybody else managed to miss him

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Clearly, Hawg is the voice of reason here.

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This is also clearly never stated enough around here.

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Hawg:

In yesterday's race, did you find it incredibly foolish, irresponsible, and life-threatening what Ryan Newman did after his wreck?

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This is all true.

[quote="spanky"]"Man hit and killed while standing at the scene of accident: Emergency workers and lights/sirens were on the scene at time of accident"{/quote] This is not true. Moving around the track toward the crash is NOT the same as being in the scene. They were not on the scene when Ward was struck.

I think you are the one who needs some basic knowledge here.

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Yes, I did. I have never understood any of these guys that do it, emotions get the best of them, but it is really, really dumb.

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The point though is that we'd be blaming the guy running in traffic in pretty much any other situation. It's not like this guy was standing on the wall. He entered where cars were driving. It's the equivalent of you standing in the middle of I-55. Of course cars should miss you but it's hard to say you weren't partially to blame when one hits you for whatever reason.

I think it is more than fair to say that the guy who created the situation is at least partially responsible. At this point, I'll still say that Tony Stewart was at least 51% responsible but I don't think you can send someone to jail for this. Reasonable doubt is very easy to establish.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

If that happened 48 hours ago, you would have thought the same thing?

What emotions got the best of Newman?

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Basic knowledge? Like how to use the quote function?

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Is it possible to say that what the kid did was stupid and still blame Stewart? I think that's the most anyone is doing here.

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Sure a lot of this has come to light, but I can assure you I have thought many a time that you are a moron for walking down on the track to throw your fucking helmet at a racecar.

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Sure.

But who is responsible for his death?

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Yes, this seems like a basic survival instinct. Do not walk towards moving race cars.

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Both, with a higher percentage going to Stewart.

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Exactly.

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I really don't have much interest in assigning specific percentages (lord knows Frank has a lot of interest in picking nits today),
but am I at least partially responsible if I die crossing the street later today?

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I would say both

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Yes, if you cross the street when the light says you weren't supposed, it is partially your fault. I really don't understand how this is so hard to understand, maybe I am missing something.

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So it has to be black and white then?

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Its an interesting parallel. Imagine it this way, a guy with documented issues with road rage drives into a clearly marked construction zone. He sees a worker on the side of the road carelessly wandering over the yellow line. "That pisses me off," he says, "I'm gonna scare the shit out of him- teach him a lesson." WHAM! "Oops."

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I can't say I watch a lot of racing and I have seen more than a few guys get out of their cars screaming like lunatics. What I've never seen is a guy in the middle of the track dodging traffic like that guy was.

Also, and I don't know if this is true or not, but a caller said that they don't use radios in these smaller races. This wasn't exactly Daytona or Talladega. It looked more like a county fair.

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If Im driving a car, and something/somebody runs out in front of my car (or near it - this guy was not "in front") - whether it be a kid, a dog, an adult, whatever - at that point the burden is on me to avoid hitting them, and that's what I do. I'm assuming most of us do?

That person being out near my car does not remove the responsibility I have to not kill that person. Even if they make the initial mistake of stepping out on the road, I cannot speed up/swerve toward them to try and prove a point to them about how dumb their actions may be. Or intimidate them, or whatever brilliant thing Tony was doing when he killed somebody with his car.

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If you are crossing an expressway then clearly you are.

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Yes.

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I read a article yesterday from a driver (he was not in this race) that stated to turn these cars, you have to rev the engines on them. I just think there a whole lot of assertions out there and we truly don't have a lot of the facts.

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