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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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That person being out near my car does not remove the responsibility I have to not kill that person.


Who said it did?

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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but am I at least partially responsible if I die crossing the street later today?
Yes.

Then I concede and I understand your collective point(s).

There literally infinite ways that a person can die as the result of somebody else's actions, no matter how common/pedestrian the situation is. But an initial choice a person makes that puts them in that situation ultimately is part of the reason they die.

Literally every single person on the road right now that is driving is at least partially responsible for their potential death at the hands of someone else. They chose to get in a car.

Every person on an airline flight.
Every person that gets shot.
Every person........ultimately could have made a different choice in hindsight in order to keep themselves away from a dangerous situation.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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I read a article yesterday from a driver (he was not in this race) that stated to turn these cars, you have to rev the engines on them.

They were under caution.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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You take a chance every day. You take a chance when you wake up, you take a chance when you cross the street, you take a chance when you stick your face in a fan, you take a chance when you run across an active race track.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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You take a chance every day. You take a chance when you wake up, you take a chance when you cross the street, you take a chance when you stick your face in a fan.

Then there is nothing to discuss.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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Then why are you posting this?

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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spanky wrote:
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I read a article yesterday from a driver (he was not in this race) that stated to turn these cars, you have to rev the engines on them.

They were under caution.

And the article mentioned that, the guy commented on everything he saw. They were still doing 50 mph, that is moving.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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I read a article yesterday from a driver (he was not in this race) that stated to turn these cars, you have to rev the engines on them. I just think there a whole lot of assertions out there and we truly don't have a lot of the facts.


I read that. Stewart could have been doing that but his history doesn't help him. I'm more inclined to believe that he meant to intimidate Ward. The white car in front of him almost hits Ward too.


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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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That person being out near my car does not remove the responsibility I have to not kill that person.


Who said it did?

Stewart didn't take that responsibility.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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Hawg Ass wrote:
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I read a article yesterday from a driver (he was not in this race) that stated to turn these cars, you have to rev the engines on them.

They were under caution.

And the article mentioned that, the guy commented on everything he saw. They were still doing 50 mph, that is moving.

How did all of the other cars turn?

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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Hawg Ass wrote:
spanky wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
I read a article yesterday from a driver (he was not in this race) that stated to turn these cars, you have to rev the engines on them.

They were under caution.

And the article mentioned that, the guy commented on everything he saw. They were still doing 50 mph, that is moving.


Is 50 mph a normal caution speed?


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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:32 am 
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Spaulding wrote:
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I read a article yesterday from a driver (he was not in this race) that stated to turn these cars, you have to rev the engines on them.

They were under caution.

And the article mentioned that, the guy commented on everything he saw. They were still doing 50 mph, that is moving.


Is 50 mph a normal caution speed?

It varies from track to track

50 would probably be about average, maybe less on a smaller track

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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spanky wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
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I read a article yesterday from a driver (he was not in this race) that stated to turn these cars, you have to rev the engines on them.

They were under caution.

And the article mentioned that, the guy commented on everything he saw. They were still doing 50 mph, that is moving.

How did all of the other cars turn?

As I mentioned earlier, the car in front oh him had to swerve pretty good to miss him, again I can't explain, we haven't heard all of the facts. I just think there are 2 parties invoved that made mistakes, intentional or not.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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How did all of the other cars turn?
Probably with their steering wheels.

There is only one other car that Ward came close to, and its clear from the video that said car swerves to avoid him as he has made is way down the track at that point.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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Spaulding wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
I read a article yesterday from a driver (he was not in this race) that stated to turn these cars, you have to rev the engines on them. I just think there a whole lot of assertions out there and we truly don't have a lot of the facts.


I read that. Stewart could have been doing that but his history doesn't help him. I'm more inclined to believe that he meant to intimidate Ward. The white car in front of him almost hits Ward too.

If you can find the article, please post the link. I got it from a twitter feed yesterday and I have no idea how to find it again.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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Anybody heard from spanky and what he thinks about all this?

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I can't say I watch a lot of racing and I have seen more than a few guys get out of their cars screaming like lunatics. What I've never seen is a guy in the middle of the track dodging traffic like that guy was.



This is the main issue, I think. I've seen a hundred guys walk out onto the track also. But, this was about the most reckless example that I can remember. He wasn't just walking, he was walking into the middle of the track and looked as though he was actually trying to stop his car. Compound that mistake by doing it at the end of a turn on a short dirt track where you don't have the control that you'd have on a paved straightaway. It was foolish.

It's hard to see when the caution came out. It looked like those other cars had some pace to them still.

In the end, I think it's likely Stewart was trying to scare the kid. But, as I thought about it, I don't think it will be that difficult for Stewart to contend he didn't see him until it was too late and his attempt to swerve was unsuccessful given the area of the track where the kid was walking. I'm not even certain at this point that a civil case would be successful.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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This was one of them.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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That person being out near my car does not remove the responsibility I have to not kill that person.


Who said it did?

Stewart didn't take that responsibility.
Stewart cannot take responsibility at this point.

It's like how your car insurance tells you to NEVER admit blame at an accident. It can only hurt you.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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Spanky clearly can't be objective here, his animosity for Stewart clouds his judgement .

you keep saying "why did every other car avoid him" well only 2 Really had to, because numbnutz was only going after Stewarts car.. It was a god damn miracle that car in front of Stewarts didn't hit this dickhead.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Anybody heard from spanky and what he thinks about all this?

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I can't say I watch a lot of racing and I have seen more than a few guys get out of their cars screaming like lunatics. What I've never seen is a guy in the middle of the track dodging traffic like that guy was.



This is the main issue, I think. I've seen a hundred guys walk out onto the track also. But, this was about the most reckless example that I can remember. He wasn't just walking, he was walking into the middle of the track and looked as though he was actually trying to stop his car. Compound that mistake by doing it at the end of a turn on a short dirt track where you don't have the control that you'd have on a paved straightaway. It was foolish.

It's hard to see when the caution came out. It looked like those other cars had some pace to them still.

In the end, I think it's likely Stewart was trying to scare the kid. But, as I thought about it, I don't think it will be that difficult for Stewart to contend he didn't see him until it was too late and his attempt to swerve was unsuccessful given the area of the track where the kid was walking. I'm not even certain at this point that a civil case would be successful.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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That person being out near my car does not remove the responsibility I have to not kill that person.


Who said it did?

Stewart didn't take that responsibility.
Stewart cannot take responsibility at this point.

It's like how your car insurance tells you to NEVER admit blame at an accident. It can only hurt you.

I didn't mean verbal responsibility after the fact - I mean the responsibility at the time that we all take when something runs near or our car. Slow down, swerve, whatever. He didn't do that.

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Oh. My mistake.

I thought you wanted Stewart to admit his level of fault here.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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Oh. My mistake.

I thought you wanted Stewart to admit his level of fault here.

I get why he isn't doing that at this point.

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But, this was about the most reckless example that I can remember. He wasn't just walking, he was walking into the middle of the track and looked as though he was actually trying to stop his car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEAzpFi9dSU

This guy didn't die. :shock: Or even get run over.

Neither did these guys:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tGiBi_aJW8

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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spanky wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
But, this was about the most reckless example that I can remember. He wasn't just walking, he was walking into the middle of the track and looked as though he was actually trying to stop his car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEAzpFi9dSU

This guy didn't die. :shock: Or even get run over.

Neither did these guys:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tGiBi_aJW8



First one the cars weren't even moving.

Second one the guy was walking through the infield.

I don't think either is comparable. Show me any video of a guy walking in front of moving cars and I'm going to say the guy is lucky he didn't get hit.

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This guy lived - and he was more reckless than Ward was. The driver slows down, steers away......the guy on his feet is lucky he's not hurt, but it meets your criteria:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxLzZRiaBf0

side note: listen to who the winner of the race is :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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side note: listen to who the winner of the race is :lol:
:lol: :lol: Even when he won races, nobody cared about him.

Why was Fat Elvis jumping on that man's car?

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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Thanks Spaulding, not the same one I read but similar view points.

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I would love to see some reactions if Danica was somehow involved in something like this.

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 Post subject: Re: Tony Stewart
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I would love to see some reactions if Danica was somehow involved in something like this.


A lot of people around here would be happy.

Or do you mean if she was driving?

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