Many in city are immune to Cubs fever

Even if this is finally the year, Sox fans still got there first

"The whole city of Chicago is really pumped up, isn't it?"
-- Cubs catcher Geovany Soto


North Side, South Side
Not the whole city, kid. Maybe three-fifths of the city, but not everyone.
Have you heard about the couple that named their child Wrigley Fields?

No joke. Cubs fans Paul and Teri Fields have named their wee lad Wrigley Alexander Fields. (At least they didn't name him Strawberry.)

Fast forward to the year 2030, when a 23-year-old man approaches a young woman at Sluggers after a Cubs game and says, "Nice to meet you, my name is Wrigley Fields."

"And I'm Petco Park," she'll respond.

Or maybe not.


What's in a name?
This is the first I've heard of a child named Wrigley. I'm sure there's nobody out there named "U.S. Cellular Field," but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a Fenway Park(s) or two living in the Boston area, even though I couldn't find any via a few of those name-search databases.

In the 1990s, a few Bulls fans named their children "Jordan." That's not a bad first name, and you can always tell people you named your girl after the Jordan Baker character in The Great Gatsby.

But Wrigley Fields -- not much doubt as to the origin of that name. That kid's gonna be a Cubs fan for life whether he likes it or not. The question is, is the year of little Wrigley's birth the year the Cubs finally go all the way?


Immune to Cubs fever
As a baseball fan who keeps watching the pennant races even after my team is so far out of it they might as well be playing flag football, I've been keeping up with the Cubbies these last few weeks, and I gotta say it:
Pretty good team.

Certainly better than Milwaukee, and probably as talented as any team in the National League. They've got some big, veteran bats and some strong arms, and an Old World manager who has this weird thing about him -- he actually plays the guys who deserve to play.

Barring a huge collapse, the Cubs will make the playoffs, and there's no reason to believe they can't make a serious run, a la last year's Cardinals. Nobody cares about your regular season record if you win the whole thing. Just ask the Detroit Tigers.

When I see the Budweiser commercial with all those good-looking Cubs fans having the time of their lives; when I see the postgame singalong to Steve Goodman's "Go Cubs Go"; when I watch the saturation coverage on the local sportscasts -- I don't hate it like some of my fellow Sox fans hate it, but I don't feel it, either.

It's like watching the Mets or the Indians enjoying first place. I'm totally immune to it. I could be in the bleachers at Wrigley Field and I could catch the World Series-winning home run ball, and I still wouldn't catch a whiff of Cubs Fever.

As I've mentioned before, the lyrics to "South Side Irish" sum up how many Sox fans feel about their North Side rivals:

We sing the songs our fathers sang

When they were growing up

Rebel songs of Erin's Isle

In the South Side Irish pubs

And when it comes to baseball

We have two favorite clubs

The Go-Go White Sox

And whoever plays the Cubs!

That'll be the prevailing sentiment in Sox Country if the Cubs are in the playoffs. You'll go to certain bars in certain neighborhoods, and they'll have the game on -- but the locals will be rooting for the Mets or the Diamondbacks or the Phillies, or the American League representative if (God forbid) the Cubs are in the World Series.

I used to be that guy, but no more. For one thing, the Sox already got there first, so no matter when the Cubs finally win a World Series, they'll be second in line. I know it'll be a bigger deal in the city and certainly nationwide than a Sox championship -- but we already have our framed ticket stubs and our 2005 memories. We got there first, and that can never change.

Beyond that, I have too many good friends (and even a family member or two) who are Cubs fans. If they get their moment, God bless 'em. They'll be going crazy in Wrigleyville and in every house that bleeds Cubbie blue.

But for me it'll be about as exciting as the Cardinals beating the Tigers last year. I'd jump off the Sears Tower before I'd jump on the Cubs' bandwagon.


-Richard Roeper

9/25/2007 Chicago Sun-Times

_________________

Roeper.

Blind squirrel.

Nut.

But in this case, he was spot on. Sox fans will remain Sox fans. Cubs fans will remain Cubs fans.

The bandwagoneers who flooded to US Cellular in 2006 will now be wondering how to get tickets for the Cubs in 2008.

The true fan bases remain the same. Amazingly, those are the one's who I find NOT to be the moronic. Its the Wrigley Field fans who drive me nuts.

Dear Frank,

My sincere condolences on your beloved Brewers falling short.

_________________
Stupidity irritates the crap outta me... and yes, I irritate myself far too often.

roll your eyes all you want because honestly, i do not see the cubs going very far.

_________________

Neither do I. Should they go and win 11 games...all the sweeter indeed. If not, no great surprise.
You seemed so earnest in your support of the Brewers. I thought it should be noted.

_________________
Stupidity irritates the crap outta me... and yes, I irritate myself far too often.

The main difference between the average Cubs fan and the average Sox fan is that the average Cubs fan couldn't care less about the White Sox, while the average White Sox fan is constantly comparing his team to the Cubs. Always lurking in the back of the mind of the White Sox fan is the sense that maybe no one really cares all that much.

He'll think, "we're just as "cursed" as the Cubs or the Red Sox, but no one in the rest of the country really cares. Our biggest stars are regularly ignored- just think how much credit Frank Thomas woul dhave gotten if he were a Met. Or Paul Konerko. Or Mark Buehrle. No one- not even fans, but especially not journalists or commentators- especially enjoys hanging around U.S. Cellular Park after baseball games. They head back to their downtown hotels as soon as possible. Even the name is so sterile and cold: U.S. Cellular Field. It may as well be called "United Steel and Coal Amalgamated Stadium.

But then, the Cubs can win 85 games and head into the playoffs after winning the weakest division in baseball, and look at the city! What are they cheering about? Don't they see this team has no chance? It's all smoke and mirrors; they'd be under .500 in the American League. Everyone knows Zambrano, but Buehrle's stats are better. I'd rather have Jenks than Dempster. I'd rather have Ozzie than Lou. And those fans... they aren't even real fans! They'll show up any time, for any team, whereas we're smart enough to only come out to the ballpark when the product is good.

Why don't we get any respect in this city, or in the MLB in general? The baseball universe is going to erupt when the Cubs finally win, just like when the Red Sox won. Where was our love? Why doesn't anyone care?"

And so the White Sox fan in the neighborhood bar is going to be the most recognizable guy in the room. He'll be quiet, wearing his old Magglio Ordonez jersey, until the Diamondbacks or Mets or Phillies score, and then he'll be the loudest SOB in the room, the first to say "I told you so! This team ain't no good!" And should the Cubs win a game or two, he'll be the first to bring up every tired and miserable platitude available; "they'll blow it, Wrigley Field is cursed" and "they were only 5 outs away and they still couldn't win" and whatnot. But he'll be stewing inside, because he knows the most uncomfortable truth possible to know: when that celebration finally comes, and the Cubs can hoist a world championship banner for the first time in a century, all of America's eyes will be on the corner of Clark and Addison. Even the most novice of baseball fans will remember the billy goat, and the black cat, and Durham's error, and the Bartman ball, and all that other mythology, and say to themselves "wow, I'm happy that the Cubs finally did- this year, everyone in America is a Cubs fan." And yet all the Sox fan will be able to hear is silence- the collective silence of an America, and a Chicago, that couldn't care less when that fantasy played out on the South side, after all those decades.

Perhaps not this year, but someday, that day will come when all the "curses" are broken. The Red Sox will have won, and the White Sox, and the Cubs. That time might not be this year, but it will come. And when it does, the Red Sox fan will still have memories of Ted Williams, the Green Monster, and the bloody sock. The Cubs fan will have Ernie Banks, the ivy, Ryno, and the rememberance of all that mythology banished. And what will the White Sox fan have? Flat beer, a mullet, and a half-empty cookie-cutter stadium void of tradition despite a century of baseball. He'll grumble and he'll pout, constantly complaining about how real baseball is played south of Madison, and how real fans come out to Comiskey (oops, U.S. Cellular Field [snicker]) And you know what the worst part is? That hatred isn't even reciprocal. Cubs fans don't envy or hate Sox fans, we pity them. We pity an establishment whose greatest historical landmark was a cheating scandal during the Wilson presidency. We pity the team that can't muster decent attendance during an off-year even though they play in the third-largest market in the United States. And we'll pity you because we just don't care enough to hate you back.

Go Cubs Go. This may not be their year, but that doesn't mean we can't enjoy the rest of the ride, wherever it may end. And if this is their year, Sox fans, I suggest you invest in a good pair of earplugs and a decent bottle of booze.

_________________
Fire Phil Emery

Irish Boy OTM.

Much better than the work of the Deutsch Bank Championship qualifier from the Sun-Times. I gotta find that iPod article he wrote. Hysterical stuff if you like to poke fun at middle-aged white guys who aren't afraid to admit they "rock a little Jay-Z."

_________________

Paper: Chicago Sun-Times
Title: Forget the radio stations - here are MY top 200 songs
Author: Richard Roeper
Date: September 1, 1996
Section: SHOWCASE
Page: 2

Every Labor Day weekend, more than a few rock stations count down "THE 500 GREATEST SONGS OF ALL TIME!"

They also like to do that on Memorial Day and the Fourth of July. I guess it's a good way to give the weekend staff some time off and play a bunch of songs back-to-back-to-back-to-back. Even as you read this, some DJ is saying, "That was Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers with `Learning to Fly' at No. 332, and before that we heard Music Explosion with `Little Bit of Soul' at No. 333." Coming up, the top 331 songs of ALL TIME."

How they come up with these lists is a mystery to me. What is it that puts "My Sharona" a notch ahead of "Hello Goodbye," but a notch behind "Sussudio"?

Whatever, they always seem to end up with "Hey Jude," "Stairway to Heaven" and "Satisfaction" near the top.

Not me. I like those songs, but I like a bunch of other songs a bunch more.

What I'd like to do on this lazy Labor Day weekend is give you my list of the Top 200 Songs of all time, according to me. My selections are based not on sales, not on critical hipness, not on musical impact. It's just the stuff I like in the order I like it.

You want to take issue with my selections or send me your own list - I'd love to hear from you.

Let the countdown begin.

200. "Night Moves" - Bob Seger
199. "Avalon" - Roxy Music
198. "Expressway (to Your Heart)" - Soul Survivors
197. "Subdivision" - Rush
196. "You Are Everything" - Stylistics
195. "We Don't Need Another Hero" - Tina Turner
194. "Tomorrow People" - Ziggy Marley
193. "Life Is Hard" - Timbuk 3
192. "The Mighty Quinn" - Manfred Mann
191. "Incense and Peppermints" - Strawberry Alarm Clock
190. "The Weight" - Band
189. "Please Come to Boston" - Dave Loggins
188. "Midnight Train to Georgia" - Gladys Knight & the Pips
187. "Cool Change" - Little River Band
186. "Stay (I Missed You)" - Lisa Loeb
185. "Wake Up Everbody" - Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes
184. "Middle of the Road" - Pretenders
183. "Friends" - Elton John
182. "Gloria" - Shadows of Knight
181. "Cecilia" - Simon & Garfunkel
180. "Every Time You Cry" - Outfield
179. "The Sounds of Silence" - Simon & Garfunkel
178. "Hot Fun in the Summertime" - Sly & the Family Stone
177. "Disappear" - INXS
176. "I'm a Believer" - Monkees
175. "Tears of a Clown" - Smokey Robinson
174. "Amie" - Pure Prairie League
173. "Holiday" - Nazareth
172. "Superman" - R.E.M.
171. "Souvenir" - Sundays
170. "Jeremy" - Pearl Jam
169. "In the Midnight Hour" - Wilson Pickett
168. "Positive Bleeding" - Urge Overkill
167. "Love Alive" - Heart
166. "Sweet Home Alabama" - Lynyrd Skynyrd
165. "For the Love of Money" - O'Jays
164. "Oh, Pretty Woman" - Roy Orbison
163. "Fields of Gold" - Sting
162. "When I Think of You" - Janet Jackson
161. "You've Lost That Lovin' "Feelin' " - Righteous Brothers
160. "Black Cow" - Steely Dan
159. "Up on the Roof" - Drifters
158. "Hold On! I'm "Coming" - Sam & Dave
157. "Sweet Sticky Thing" - Ohio Players
156. "The Reflex" - Duran Duran
155. "Wildfire" - Michael Murphey
154. "Alison" - Elvis Costello
153. "Anchorage" - Michelle Shocked
152. "Crystal Ship" - Doors
151. "Save the Country" - 5th Dimension
150. "Montego Bay" - Bobby Bloom
149. "I'm Your Captain/Closer to Home" - Grand Funk Railroad
148. "Freedom" - George Michael
147. "Don't Cry" - Seal
146. "Italian Restaurant" - Billy Joel
145. "Ohio" - Pretenders
144. "Undercover of the Night" - Rolling Stones
143. "Lola" - Kinks
142. "I Can't Tell You Why" - Eagles
141. "Coming Out of the Dark" - Gloria Estefan
140. "Meadows" - Joe Walsh
139. "Light of Day" - Joan Jett & the Blackhearts
138. "Two Turntables and a Microphone" - Beck
137. "Love Grows (Where My Rosemary Goes)" - Edison Lighthouse
136. "Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm" - Crash Test Dummies
135. "Crying in My Sleep" - Art Garfunkel
134. "Insane in the Brain" - Cypress Hill
133. "American Pie" - Don McLean
132. "No One Is to Blame" - Howard Jones
131. "Hysteria" - Def Leppard
130. "Stayin' Alive" - Bee Gees
129. "Dreams" - Fleetwood Mac
128. "Relax" - Frankie Goes to Hollywood
127. "Everyday People" - Sly & the Family Stone
126. "Holly Holy" - Neil Diamond
125. "The Music Box" - Genesis
124. "Jesus Is Waiting" - Al Green
123. "Chasing You Into the Light" - Jackson Browne
122. "Bouncing Around the Room" - Phish
121. "Fast Buck Freddie" - Jefferson Starship
120. "Minutes to Memories" - John Mellencamp
119. "Suspicious Minds" - Elvis Presley
118. "Solitude Standing" - Suzanne Vega
117. "Pride (In the Name of Love)" - U2
116. "Beautiful Loser" - Bob Seger
115. "Fly Robin Fly" - Silver Convention
114. "I Love L.A." - Randy Newman
113. "Welcome to the Boomtown" - David & David
112. "Man on the Moon" - R.E.M.
111. "Sugar Sugar" - Archies
110. "The Core" - Eric Clapton
109. "Suddenly Last Summer" - Motels
108. "Big League" - Tom Cochrane
107. "What's Going On" - Marvin Gaye
106. "Hip Hop Hooray" - Naughty by Nature
105. "Wichita Lineman" - Glen Campbell
104. "That's Just the Way It Is" - Bruce Hornsby
103. "You're So Cool" - Hans Zimmer
102. "It's All Mixed Up" - Cars
101. "Time Has Come Today" - Chambers Brothers
100. "White Rabbit" - Jefferson Airplane
99. "L.A. Woman" - Doors
98. "So Very Hard to Go" - Tower of Power
97. "Don't You Forget About Me" - Simple Minds
96. "I Would Die 4 U" - Prince
95. "The Right Thing to Do" - Carly Simon
94. "The Ghost in You" - Psychedelic Furs
93. "Fire and Rain" - James Taylor
92. "Do It Again" - Beach Boys
91. "You Suck" - Murmurs
90. "Modern Love" - David Bowie
89. "Legend of a Mind" - Moody Blues
88. "It Don't Matter to Me" - Bread
87. "Objects in the Rearview Mirror May Appear Closer Than They Are" - Meat Loaf
86. "December" - Collective Soul
85. "All of My Heart" - ABC
84. "Rainy Night in Georgia" - Brook Benton
83. "Destination Unknown" - Missing Persons
82. "Memphis" - Johnny Rivers
81. "Rapture" - Blondie
80. "Son of a Preacher Man" - Dusty Springfield
79. "No Rain" - Blind Melon
78. "The Lonely Bull" - Herb Alpert & the Tijuana Brass
77. "Ventura Highway" - America
76. "Isn't It Time" - Babys
75. "Right Now" - Van Halen
74. "In Neon" - Elton John
73. "Under the Bridge" - Red Hot Chili Peppers
72. "Breakfast at Tiffany's" - Deep Blue Something
71. "Louie Louie" - Kingsmen
70. "Black Gold" - Soul Asylum
69. "Woman" - John Lennon
68. "Don't Expect Me to Be Your Friend" - Lobo
67. "Too Late" - Shoes
66. "I Want Your Body" - Nymphomania
65. "Graceland" - Paul Simon
64. "These Are the Days" - 10,000 Maniacs
63. "Superstar" - Carpenters
62. "My Sister" - Juliana Hatfield
61. "Don't Stop Til You Get Enough" - Michael Jackson
60. "Tunnel of Love" - Bruce Springsteen
59. "Popular" - Nada Surf
58. "Superwoman" - Stevie Wonder
57. "Fancy Colours" - Chicago
56. "Shotgun Down the Avalanche" - Shawn Colvin
55. "Sunset Grill" - Don Henley
54. "Golden Years" - David Bowie
53. "Don Quixote" - Gordon Lightfoot
52. "Paradise" - Bodeans
51. "Downed" - Cheap Trick
50. "Taxi" - Harry Chapin
49. "Lightning Crashes" - Live
48. "Learning to Fly" - Tom Petty
47. "Court and Spark" - Joni Mitchell
46. "In Dreams" - Roy Orbison
45. "You've Got to Hide Your Love Away" - Beatles
44. "The Actor" - Moody Blues
43. "Come to My Window" - Melissa Etheridge
42. "Sleeping Angel" - Stevie Nicks
41. "My Hometown" - Bruce Springsteen
40. "Open Your Heart" - Madonna
39. "Hammers and a Nail" - Indigo Girls
38. "True Devotion" - Bodeans
37. "Overnight Sensation" - Raspberries
36. "Stairway to Heaven" - Led Zeppelin
35. "Kentucky Rain" - Elvis Presley
34. "Billie Jean" - Michael Jackson
33. "Junior's Farm" - Paul McCartney & Wings
32. "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes" - Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young
31. "Jesus Is Just All Right" - Doobie Brothers
30. "Nothing Compares 2 U" - Sinead O'Connor
29. "Linger" - Cranberries
28. "Good Vibrations" - Beach Boys
27. "Baby I'm a Star" - Prince
26. "Check It Out" - John Mellencamp
25. "I Don't Know How to Love Him" - Yvonne Elliman
24. "It Won't Rain All the Time" (from "The Crow") - Jane Siberry
23. "Abbey Road Medley" - Beatles
22. "The End" - Doors
21. "Jumpin' Jack Flash" - Rolling Stones
20. "Alive" - Pearl Jam
19. "A Pirate Looks at 40" - Jimmy Buffett
18. "Thunder Road" - Bruce Springsteen
17. "Ramblin' Man" - Allman Brothers Band
16. "Cherub Rock" - Smashing Pumpkins
15. "Tangled Up in Blue" - Bob Dylan
14. "November Rain" - Guns N' Roses
13. "Diamonds in the Rough" - Shawn Colvin
12. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" - Nirvana
11. "Hotel California" - Eagles
10. "This Woman's Work" - Kate Bush
9. "Angel Sea" - Cat Stevens
8. "One Tree Hill" - U2
7. "Love and Affection" - Joan Armatrading
6. "You Oughta Be With Me" - Al Green
5. "In Your Eyes" - Peter Gabriel
4. "Good Things" - Bodeans
3. "Born on the Bayou" - Credence Clearwater Revival
2. "Get Back" - Beatles
1. "Born in the U.S.A." - Bruce Springsteen

Author: Richard Roeper
Section: SHOWCASE
Page: 2
Column: UPFRONT

Copyright 1996 Chicago Sun-Times, Inc.

_________________

Irish, that was outstanding and deadly accurate. <claping> Nicely done sir.

_________________
Stupidity irritates the crap outta me... and yes, I irritate myself far too often.

Yes, well done. But you forgot to add the whole "we did it first" part that they'll cling to when/if the Cubs ever do it.

_________________

Utter bullshit, but if it makes you feel better, feel free to buy into it.

I, on the other hand, believe they can go very far this year. The lineup is good, the relief pitching has been excellent and you have at least one starter who matches up favorably to anyone in the league. Maybe we could continue this discussion in the warm and fuzzy's section.

You are a fucking moron. It's a good thing the 'average Sox fan' cares so much about you when the priority of you douchebags is to come into the White Sox board after clinching the division. Just like Curious Hair who is always checking and referencing WSI. Just like at last night's game when a couple moronic Cub fans felt the need to go to our park to taunt White Sox fans. But it looks like you spent a lot of time writing this piece of shit up so it's too bad you just had to contradict yourself early.

Good for you on being proud of being known for things like 'curses'. The Sox fans admit when they're team sucks, they don't go for lame ass excuses like curses, that's why only oblivious national Fox and ESPN went with that angle. They're not laughing with you, they're laughing at you. Be happy about being known for that if you want, listen to other cities' sports radio every once in a while, you are the benchmark. When another team is collapsing or performing, you'll always get an 'at least we're not the Cubs'.

With the words "you are a fucking moron", you undermined some salient points in your post and rendered them moot.

Well done.

_________________
Stupidity irritates the crap outta me... and yes, I irritate myself far too often.

Ohhh, help me, I'm sooo sad, I'm a mullethead Sox fan and no one will ever remember my team or its success.

Even though it just got referenced yesterday http://www.nypost.com/seven/09292007/sp ... lievin.htm

No onnne watched that postseason http://forums.nyyfans.com/showthread.php?t=90396

I am sooo insecure someone please help me, no one will remember anything about my team














http://youtube.com/watch?v=Hma9eEqouK8

I went to the Sox game last night. As the Cubs were clinching their first division title in 4 years, several of their fans were at the Sox game singing Go Cubs Go. This was not simply a single group.

It's an odd way to show indifference but, then again, I am not hip to what qualifies as performance art these days.

With the long and illustrious history of World Series Champions in Chicago over the last 80 years, I can't believe anybody here wants to throw handfuls of gravel at each other. Both have blown chow more often than not.

_________________
You cannot make me care about the WNBA.

Maybe "turd" would be a better word to classify someone that uses to two pages to rip Sox fans for how they compare themselves to the Cubs while doing the exact same thing with how your team is supposedly better than the Sox.

I talk with many true fans of the Cub, we just talk baseball and don't act like 12 year olds with the 'my team is better than your team' act. But if that makes you feel better because you feel insecure about your playoff team, then go ahead. Meanwhile, I am cool and collected, I will enjoy the playoffs, and wonder who my team should sign to play CF

If you could only find someone who had the "fire and the passion."

On a serious note, good luck. It seems the price tag on quality center fielders has tripled in the last couple years. It will be interesting to see if the Sox get into a bidding war.

_________________
You cannot make me care about the WNBA.

I didn't say it wouldn't be remembered. It's an historical fact, of course it will be remembered. Most people in the baseball universe just don't care. The Devil Rays or the Royals might as well have won the World Series. And your pictures just prove my point. While referencing the 1919 gambling scandal (which your greatest ever player was implicated in), I forgot to reference that 2nd-"greatest" event in the history of White Sox history, Disco Demolition night. What a legacy! Throw in the Ligues and you have yourselves quite the storied past. As for whether or not the baseball world cared about the White Sox winning the championship, one need only consult the television ratings, which fell by approximately 1/3rd from the previous year.

Cubs fans comparing themselves to the White Sox is an almost equally pathetic designation. After all, the Cubs haven't won a championship in 99 years. Who are Cubs fans to gloat? Well, I'm not gloating. I think it's pathetic that both teams have been so bad for so long. But my point is that Cubs fans are a lot more likely to treat the Sox like any other AL team. Sox identity depends upon the foil of the Cubs. Don't believe me? How come the White Sox, as an organization, have decided by build entire marketing campaigns around not being the Cubs, and how "baseball is played the right way on the SOUTH side of the city" and all that nonsense?

And I'd be willing to excuse all this, simply because I feel I have nothing to feel all that good about as a Cubs fan. I hate the mythology- or let me say I find it charming that mythology exists, but I'd much rather it exist for, say, the Yankees, and have the Cubs be the acknowledged greatest organization in MLB history. And the Cubs stereotypes are at least partly true, just like the White Sox fan stereotypes are partly true. Cubs fans can be annoying fratboys more interested in beer and boobs than baseball. And those "fans" and their Cub "pride" are just as insufferable as the Sox fans who feel the need to piss in the punch bowl after a division championship.

But they're a minority. Hell, if you believe the slander than most Cubs fans don't know how to read a box score and are too busy worshiping ivy leaves to follow the action on the field, you're admitting their a minority, because if they can't even follow their team, what will they care about another? For the most part (and there are exceptions), we just don't care about you. But it sure seems as though you really, really care about us. Hey, let's quote Sox fan designate Richard Roeper again:



Why such hostility? What does it matter? Why do you care about the Cubs? Why does Murph cheer for the Sox, and Mac acts like he was pantsed in public when the Cubs win? Why does one orginization treat their crosstown rivals with benign neglect, while the other treats them with open contempt? As the saying goes: maybe we're just not into you.

_________________
Fire Phil Emery

Um Mac has been cheering for the Cubs and has been in Wrigleyville alot lately, not sure if you are listening to the show. Basically your long posts are summing up your point that Sox fans care more about Cubs then Cubs fans care about the White Sox, which is simply not true. If this was 2005 again you would feel stupid with all the Cubs fans going around rooting for the Red Sox, Angels and even the Astros. Cubs fans were just as bad if not worse in 2005 then Sox fans are now, so for someone with such a keen sense of history, I would think you would remember the recent a little better.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

I talk with many true fans of the Cub, we just talk baseball and don't act like 12 year olds with the 'my team is better than your team' act. But if that makes you feel better because you feel insecure about your playoff team, then go ahead.

And yet, that is precisely what you did. You acted like a 12 year old. Congratulations.
I have no insecurities about my team as they are, simply put, my team. I've no need to justify them to you as they should be irrelevant to you. In addition to that, you shouldn't have any insecurities and should have no need to lower yourself to the level of a 12 year old. You have the ultimate trump card...a WS title. The moment you did lower yourself to that level, you overtrumped.
Oops.
Of course, that WS title and fifty cents will buy you a newspaper, but what do I know?

_________________
Stupidity irritates the crap outta me... and yes, I irritate myself far too often.

im glad my post has brought about such an intellectual baseball discussion.

_________________

Did not!

_________________

yeah it was pretty predictable. but hey, insecurity complexes die hard, y'know?

_________________
"Then Darin Erstad fell down while flying out to center in the sixth and left because of cramps."

I don't even need to go back to before my time to match your list, there my Irish friend.

A walk off win in Game 2 of the series.

A win in the longest game in World Series History.

Frank freakin' Thomas.

Carlton Fisk.

Two All star games held at a Sox stadium.

Bobby Jenks tying a record set before he was even born.

Two no-hitters.

And of course, the only World Series title to come to Chicago.

Going beyond that:

The first "exploding" scoreboard

The first All-star game in baseball history

10 Hall of Famers, with an additional 18 who spent some time on the Southside. (Which, how many players from the '69 Cubs do you want in the Hall? We keep hearing how Santo should be there, who's next after him? For a team that didn't get anywhere......) If I wanted to be a complete bastard I could point out Ron Santo retired as a Sox player.......

As far as being obsessed with you guys, why?

We crossed the finish line first. The Sox ended the cities drought, not the Cubs.

And the Sox fans with ALWAYS have that.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Both fan bases have the idiots (see Harry T. heading down to be in front of Wrigley last night to celebrate winning the division.)

But to say the average Sox fan are mullet wearing? Sorry, but I'm bald. I also watched my team in the modern era win the Series.

Now, if the Cubs go and win it, I'll be the first Sox fan to say congrats. But getting into the playoffs and the Cubs fanbase acting as if this is the greatest thing in baseball in the past decade?

Sorry, that still is Southside bragging rights. Win the Series, then we're still even. Win another one before the decade is out or before the Sox do?

THEN, and only then, do Cubs fans get to crow.

we won it first, what a pathetic ass cloown Roeper is, give up the hair plugs cocksmoke. and cubs and sox fans, guess what? you're two of the most pathtic teams of all time, suck a dog dick.

What, compared to the Mariners?

yeah, because M fans are known for bickering with each other over which shitty ass team they root for is better, nationally the white sox are what the blackhawks are to chicagoans, no one cares, fold em up

Which shitty team in Seattle? I mean, the Seahawks are sorta good.

Kinda.

And the Mariners....wait, gonna do the same thing on Monday as the White Sox.

OOOooh, you must mean the Seattle Supersonics are the better team in Seatt.....nah, I can't even finish that sentence without laughing out loud.

So, now a fanbase needs to not care what the guys across town think, but what the national media and fans think?

Sure, whatever dude. Go back to drinking what your hometown company calls coffee (which I refer to as lighter fluid thats been filtered through a jockstrap, and charge the consumer 5 bucks for a "grande." take that Starbucks, you bastards!)