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10 Mg of Lexapro can fix all that for...not much side effects , other than takes longer to bust a nut.


BRAND NAME Lexapro, probably still the best anti-depressant in the SSRI class. In history, as well.


You corporate whore.

Sorry to hear that stuff, Gay. One of my good friends was helped very much by an SSRI. maybe give it a shot?


:lol: Ha! Whatever, dudeski, it's still the best. Easy to dose, no titration time, solid side effect profile, weight neutral....so, are you going to use it?

Find a good psych first with good references. Good Primary care physicians will actually do an inventory before RXing but many do not and they just don't have the in depth experience with the drugs and patient typing. Plus most psychs having "issues" as well and know where the patient is coming from. Hell, most of the psychs have already taking the drugs they will recommend to you.


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Someguy Are you breaking my balls? That's what I take...I've been broke b4 and no insurance n had to go off it for a couple years...no withdrawal no side effects ...

but Many years back when I first started having anxiety attacks ..I didn't know what was wrong..thought I was dying..docs say you are very healthy...so I finally try the shrink n she gave me paxil...that was just horrible stuff...after 4 months I stop taking n seeing her..the withdrawal - cold turkey...was insane...felt like getting eletric shocks at random times of the day...really tired ...so I went 8-9 Years just smoking pot to cope...biut now I have this lexapro connect n been great for couple years now. good stuff..highly recommend

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I tried counseling, therapy and meds when I was in my teens and early 20s. It made it worse. Everyone reacts differently to these things.

It's such a tricky thing to deal with as a doctor or a therapist because not only is it hard as hell to diagnose (I think alot of people get diagnosed with it when they're just going through the motions), it's also hard to treat. Sometimes it's as simple as "here, take this 2 times a day" and you're good. Lithium worked the best for me but it's pure salt and you're dehydrated all day and I quickly got annoyed with that.

I just cope the best I can, I do better each passing year. Just fuck Walmart.


Gotcha, you've already done the dog and pony show. Have you ever been prescribed an A-typical? Maybe a dumb question because you've already done the lithium route.

Good to hear you're working through it.

And yes, fuck Wal-Mart. A million people in the store but only 3 out of the 20 registers are open and one of the 3 is always "going on break."


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Thanks for sharing HG. I hope you find a way to get better.

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Someguy Are you breaking my balls? That's what I take...I've been broke b4 and no insurance n had to go off it for a couple years...no withdrawal no side effects ...

but Many years back when I first started having anxiety attacks ..I didn't know what was wrong..thought I was dying..docs say you are very healthy...so I finally try the shrink n she gave me paxil...that was just horrible stuff...after 4 months I stop taking n seeing her..the withdrawal - cold turkey...was insane...felt like getting eletric shocks at random times of the day...really tired ...so I went 8-9 Years just smoking pot to cope...biut now I have this lexapro connect n been great for couple years now. good stuff..highly recommend


Hell no. Great drug, been a few years since it went off patent and it's still the best or close to it. Even its predecessor (and double isomer) Celexa was groundbreaking.

Paxil can be brutal and even worse when you try and come off, even with careful down titrating. Same thing with Cymbalta and Effexor. But, again, some drugs work for some people and some drugs definitely do not work for some people.


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Gotcha, you've already done the dog and pony show. Have you ever been prescribed an A-typical? Maybe a dumb question because you've already done the lithium route.

I don't know what A-typical even is


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Has anyone considered he may just be method acting for the What Dreams may Come sequel ?

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Has anyone considered he may just be method acting for the What Dreams may Come sequel ?


I have.


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Has anyone considered he may just be method acting for the What Dreams may Come sequel ?

I went for that joke on page 1. I failed it badly.

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Has anyone considered he may just be method acting for the What Dreams may Come sequel ?

I went for that joke on page 1. I failed it badly.

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Thanks for sharing HG. I hope you find a way to get better.


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The beginning of the end for Robin Williams. Wrong side of history. You can see it in his eyes.

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He was boys with Lance Armstrong ..another knock on him.

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If you want to say someone sucks, then we need to know who you like so we can get a valid baseline.



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Not really that funny. Better actor than comedian. Never knew about all his charity work. I'm not surprised by the public outpouring. It's a trendy thing to be so public with your grief. Just another form of attention whoring.


Pretty cynical view. I think a lot of it is because he committed suicide.


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Seems like all the affection for Robin Williams is genuine. All of Hollywood really liked him. He was a nicer guy than I ever knew by what's been said of him.


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I've dealt with depression and social anxiety my entire life. It blows. Recently I made the decision that I'm totally done with going to Walmart because I just can't handle being in their lines. I start sweating and my heart starts racing and I feel like I'm going to faint, I just got to get the fuck out of there. I can't do any place with long lines.

People who don't have depression can never relate to it because you're just built differently. It's just a voice in your head that never shuts the fuck up. Whether you're at rock bottom or at top of the world your inner demons always remind you of how worthless you truly are. You can argue with it and tell it to go away all you want and it may leave you alone sometimes, but eventually it'll return. Sometimes taking your own life seems to be the only way you'll ever truly get peace. Suicidal thoughts are just a part of having depression.

Depression has ruined my life to an extent for sure. Every relationship and dating experience I've had has been a total disaster because I go through phases with it. One month I'm good, motivated and socialable and the next month I'm severely depressed and go into isolation by avoiding everyone I know and all social situations. For the most part I don't try hard in life because I don't care enough. My way of thinking is totally outside the box to the norm. I just don't take any issues with society seriously, really. Not taking anything seriously leads to finding humor in just about everything, whether it be a racially insensitive joke, a rape joke, etc etc. This is one reason why people with depression make for good comics.

Now, I'm lucky enough to not have it really bad, believe it or not. I've grown up and matured and dealt with it the best I can. I don't do therapy or any shit and I've seen people with far worse situations. The thing is that many people with depression seem to do nothing but seek sympathy and they get offended when someone doesn't understand their situation. They think the world owes them everything when the world doesn't owe them jack shit. They have a total "woe is me, everyone feel bad for me" attitude. I mean, I guess I can relate a little. Just having one person show they give a shit can lift you up a bit, but that's like putting a band-aid on an amputated knee. I myself decided a while ago that I would try my best to not dwell on anything and attempt to re-train my brain. I'm still fucked in the head, but I'm not THAT bad, at least I think. But I totally understand why people mock and laugh at depression because from the outside looking in it just looks some someone being a pussy or an attention whore.

Depression and sadness get mixed up alot, especially by teens. It's a shame when teens kill themselves because they never gave life a fair shot. Robin Williams on the other hand was 63 years old and had enough. I don't judge him for what he did. His inner demons eventually won the war in his head. He's at peace now.


Wow. I give you a lot of credit for being so candid about your situation & hope that you find serenity & joy.

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Following some links, I ended up on Koko, the sign language "speaking" gorilla's web site. Koko is saddened about Williams too. Seems like crap, but then they show a video of Williams visiting the menagerie one day and communing. If the gorilla remembers him, then fine, I can see her being saddened. But like you, my mind isn't quite wrapping around it...


Now I'm gonna be up watching youtube videos of koko. :lol:


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That's great Hockey Gay. I applaud you for not going to Wal-Mart.

...and for the other stuff.

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Anyone seen Steve SARLEY?

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I like to watch a little Dice Clay and Steven Wright back to back to cover all the bases


Dave Chapelle is pretty fucking great too. I like more stand ups than I dislike though.


The dislike list is like Margaret Cho and Rob Van Dam


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I like to watch a little Dice Clay and Steven Wright back to back to cover all the bases


Dave Chapelle is pretty fucking great too. I like more stand ups than I dislike though.


The dislike list is like Margaret Cho and Rob Van Dam


I'm gonna need a clarification on that; I can't figure out what it means but it makes my teeth itch trying to parse it. :lol:

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I like to watch a little Dice Clay and Steven Wright back to back to cover all the bases


Dave Chapelle is pretty fucking great too. I like more stand ups than I dislike though.


The dislike list is like Margaret Cho and Rob Van Dam


I'm gonna need a clarification on that; I can't figure out what it means but it makes my teeth itch trying to parse it. :lol:

Rob Van Dam, like Mick Foley, is attempting stand up. He's bad. Margaret Cho* is also bad




*Interesting to note, Cho cites her low point before getting sober was Adam Carolla turning down her sexual advances


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*Interesting to note, Cho cites her low point before getting sober was Adam Carolla turning down her sexual advances

:lol: :lol:

Isn't Cho a lesbian?

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*Interesting to note, Cho cites her low point before getting sober was Adam Carolla turning down her sexual advances

:lol: :lol:

Isn't Cho a lesbian?

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I don't think I have ever heard Cho's standup. I remember that awful sitcom she did in the mid 90's.

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I like to watch a little Dice Clay and Steven Wright back to back to cover all the bases


Dave Chapelle is pretty fucking great too. I like more stand ups than I dislike though.


The dislike list is like Margaret Cho and Rob Van Dam


I'm gonna need a clarification on that; I can't figure out what it means but it makes my teeth itch trying to parse it. :lol:

Rob Van Dam, like nut Foley, is attempting stand up. He's bad. Margaret Cho* is also bad




*Interesting to note, Cho cites her low point before getting sober was Adam Carolla turning down her sexual advances


Considering he generally needs someone to talk for him (with very few exceptions), how he got the idea that he could do a set s beyond my ability to fully comprehend.

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I always feel a more intense sense of loss when a fellow alcoholic or addict commits suicide. Possibly because I have thought about it obsessively for years, and slit my wrists on multiple occasions until being forced into rehab and getting sober a year later at the age of 18.

No one will ever know exactly what Robin Williams was thinking and feeling when he made the decision to end his pain the way he did. But I do know he wasn’t seeing himself the way the rest of us saw him.

I first met Robin in 1998 when he came to the Comedy Cellar in New York City to do a guest spot. Comedians tend to be impossible to impress and love to stress how they’re impossible to impress when bigger, far more famous comedians perform sets.

But on this particular night, I noticed that none of the regular comedians were leaving when they were done. We were all finding excuses to hang around. None of us wanted to admit it, but Robin Williams was performing, and we were genuinely excited.

Now, any other group of performers would have proudly stood outside with streamers and a welcome banner, but comedians are jaded asses who would rather sit in the back of the room with their hearts pounding while folding their arms and feigning disinterest.

What struck me the most about Robin was how important it was to him that the other comedians liked him. He was always gracious to the performer he had bumped off the lineup. That first night, and during his many returns over the years, he would always come upstairs and sit with us at the “comedy table” (made famous on Louie).

He could have easily dominated the conversation; we all knew the difference between who he was and who we were. Robin was one of the few larger-than-life comedians who could have actually gotten a table full of other comics to shut up and listen. But he didn’t. He joked and laughed with us and went out of his way to not tower above us. He probably never knew how much we loved him for that.

By all accounts, Robin struggled with depression and addiction over the years. So many comics I know seem to struggle with the demons of self-hatred and self-destruction. While my physically self-destructive days ended when I got sober, the thought of suicide was always there, an option behind glass that I could break in case of an emergency. I glamorized the idea of constructing my own exit.

And yet on a day like Monday, that idea seemed terrible and unnecessary. Not triumphant or glamorous but sad and empty and incomplete.

The funniest people I know seem to be the ones surrounded by darkness. And that’s probably why they’re the funniest. The deeper the pit, the more humor you need to dig yourself out of it.

Over the years, comedy has gone from happy-go-lucky pie-in-the-face jesters to the stuff of the deeply personal and honest with the coming of Lenny Bruce, Richard Pryor and George Carlin. The public began to see, through brilliant material and public battles with personal demons, that the people who made them laugh the hardest seemed to be enjoying life the least. Maybe all those jokes were hiding something much darker. The cracks in the exterior began to show.

On Jan. 28, 1977, Freddie Prinze ripped the facade down for good when he shot himself.

In the 25 years I’ve been doing stand-up, I’ve personally known at least eight comedians who committed suicide.

Years ago, I was told that one of the most important attributes humans don’t have is the ability to see themselves the way others do. This is normally what I think of when people behave like an ass and don’t realize it, or think they’re smarter than they actually are. It’s rare that I think of it in the terms I have been after hearing about Robin.

Robin and I had the same managers for the past decade, and one brought him and Billy Crystal in to watch as a surprise on the night I was doing a Jimmy Kimmel warm-up set at the Comedy Cellar. I was nervous and my set was mediocre, but Robin treated me as if I’d just blown away his Live at the Met special.

When my mother and father met him after an Atlantic City show, Robin made a point to spend a few minutes with them and say great things about me. My ego would love to believe it’s because I’m so terrific, but the reality is that Robin was smart enough to know how much it would mean to my parents to hear him saying such nice things about their son.

And it meant a lot.

There is simply no way Robin could have understood the way the rest of us saw him. And there is simply no way he could have understood how much respect and adoration other performers had for him.

At least I hope he couldn’t have understood.

Because it’s too sad to think that maybe he did understand, and it just wasn’t enough anymore.

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...

Here's how it works for most of us, as far as I can tell. I'll even put it in list form, because who gives a fuck at this point:

1. At an early age, you start hating yourself. Often it's because you were abused, or just grew up in a broken home, or were rejected socially, or maybe you were just weird or fat or ... whatever. You're not like the other kids, the other kids don't seem to like you, and you can usually detect that by age 5 or so.

2. At some point, usually at a very young age, you did something that got a laugh from the room. You made a joke or fell down or farted, and you realized for the first time that you could get a positive reaction that way. Not genuine love or affection, mind you, just a reaction -- one that is a step up from hatred and a thousand steps up from invisibility. One you could control.

3. You soon learned that being funny builds a perfect, impenetrable wall around you -- a buffer that keeps anyone from getting too close and realizing how much you suck. The more you hate yourself, the stronger you need to make the barrier and the further you have to push people away. In other words, the better you have to be at comedy.

4. In your formative years, you wind up creating a second, false you -- a clown that can go out and represent you, outside the barrier. The clown is always joking, always "on," always drawing all of the attention in order to prevent anyone from poking away at the barrier and finding the real person behind it. The clown is the life of the party, the classroom joker, the guy up on stage -- as different from the "real" you as possible. Again, the goal is to create distance.

You do it because if people hate the clown, who cares? That's not the real you. So you're protected.

But the side effect is that if people love the clown ... well, you know the truth. You know how different it'd be if they met the real you.

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The jokes that keep the crowd happy -- and keep the people around you at bay -- come from inside you, and are dug painfully out of your own guts. You expose and examine your own insecurities, flaws, fears -- all of that stuff makes the best fuel. So, Robin Williams joked about addiction -- you know, the same addiction that pretty much killed him. Chris Farley's whole act was based on how fat he was -- the thing that had tortured and humiliated him since childhood.

I keep mentioning Chris Farley for a reason -- in the end, he was so alone that he was hiring prostitutes just to hang out with him. Here's an account of how his last days played out:

"Farley partied for four straight days, smoked crack and snorted heroin with a call girl, then took her back to his apartment. When they argued about money, she got up to leave. He tried to follow but collapsed on the living room floor, struggling to breathe. His final words were 'Don't leave me.' She took pictures of him, stole his watch, wrote a note saying she'd had a lot of fun, and left. He died alone."

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