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Many people I talked to yesterday are focusing on the looting and saying how the police are just doing their jobs. Also they believe the cops version of events.


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They're supposed to release Darren Wilson's name tomorrow.


Darren Wilson? Weren't we ready to lynch that other guy yesterday?

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They're supposed to release Darren Wilson's name tomorrow.


Darren Wilson? Weren't we ready to lynch that other guy yesterday?

Ferguson police said that wasnt the guy, but pretty sure they're lying

The Darren Wilson thing is because the Chief's reaction when the name was thrown out by a reporter

I still think its Bryan "Scooby" Willman


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Well, when will the U.S. deal with its vast social issues? The fact that we lock up more people per capita than anybody else in the world should tell you something about our "free" society". We lock up over 700 per 100,000. The next first world country on the list is Russia at less than 500. Canada is around 100. We are locking up seven times more people than Canada. So we either have a completely different, and obviously ineffective, system of criminal justice and/or we have a social contract that is failing. I think it's a good split between both.

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Well, when will the U.S. deal with its vast social issues? The fact that we lock up more people per capita than anybody else in the world should tell you something about our "free" society". We lock up over 700 per 100,000. The next first world country on the list is Russia at less than 500. Canada is around 100. We are locking up seven times more people than Canada. So we either have a completely different, and obviously ineffective, system of criminal justice and/or we have a social contract that is failing. I think it's a good split between both.


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The war on drugs was lost long ago my friend. It is the biggest problem with the criminal justice system. As an isolationist, I have no interest in our foreign adventures. We also have deep social issues with the breakdown of the family and a poor public education system.

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Lest any idiot think this was some bizarre, isolated incident by a normally respectful, thoughtful police department ...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html

The Day Ferguson Cops Were Caught in a Bloody Lie

The officers got the wrong man, but charged him anyway—with getting his blood on their uniforms. How the Ferguson PD ran the town where Michael Brown was gunned down.

Police in Ferguson, Missouri, once actually charged a man with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms while four of them allegedly beat him.

On and/or about the 20th day of Sept. 20, 2009 at or near 222 S. Florissant within the corporate limits of Ferguson, Missouri, the above named defendant did then and there unlawfully commit the offense of ‘property damage’ to wit did transfer blood to the uniform,” reads the charge sheet.

The address is the headquarters of the Ferguson Police Department, where a 52-year-old welder named Henry Davis was taken in the predawn hours on that date. He had been arrested for an outstanding warrant that proved to actually be for another man of the same surname, but a different middle name and Social Security number.

“I said, ‘I told you guys it wasn’t me,’” Davis would subsequently testify.

Davis would recall the booking officer saying, “We have a problem.”

The booking officer had no other reason to hold Davis, who had ended up in Ferguson only because he missed the exit for St. Charles and then pulled off the highway because the rain was so heavy he could not see to drive. The cop who had pulled up behind him must have run his license plate and assumed he was that other Henry Davis. The next thing this Davis knew, the cop had approached the vehicle, grabbed his cellphone from his hand, cuffed him and placed him in the back seat of the patrol car, by his account without a word of explanation.

But the booking officer was not ready just to let Davis go, and proceeded to escort him to a one-man cell that already had a man in it asleep on the lone bunk. Davis says that he asked the officer if he could at least have one of the sleeping mats that were stacked nearby.

”He said I wasn’t getting one,” Davis would recall.

Davis balked at being a second man in a one-man cell.

“Because it’s 3 in the morning,” he later testified. “Who going to sleep on a cement floor?”

The booking officer summoned a number of fellow cops. One opened the cell door while another suddenly charged, propelling Davis inside and slamming him against the back wall.

“I told the police officers there that I didn’t do nothing, ‘Why is you guys doing this to me?’” Davis would testify. “They said, ‘OK, just lay on the ground and put your hands behind your back.’”

Davis would say that he complied and that a female officer straddled and then handcuffed him. Two other officers crowded into the cell.

“They started hitting me,” he testified. “I was getting hit and I just covered up.”

The other two stepped out and the female officer allegedly lifted Davis’ head as the cop who had initially pushed him into the cell reappeared.

“He ran in and kicked me in the head,” Davis would recall. “I almost passed out at that point… Paramedics came… They said it was too much blood, I had to go to the hospital.”

A patrol car took the bleeding Davis to a nearby emergency room. He refused treatment, demanding somebody first take his picture.

“I wanted a witness and proof of what they done to me,” Davis would testify.

He was driven back to the jail, where he was held for several days before he posted $1,500 bond on four counts of “property damage.” Police Officer John Beaird had signed complaints swearing on pain of perjury that Davis had bled on his uniform and those of three fellow officers.

The remarkable turned inexplicable when Beaird was deposed in a civil case that Davis subsequently brought seeking redress and recompense.

“After Mr. Davis was detained, did you have any blood on you?” asked Davis’ lawyer, James Schottel.

“No, sir,” Beaird replied.

Schottel showed Beaird a copy of the “property damage” complaint.

“Is that your signature as complainant?” the lawyer asked.

“It is, sir,” the cop said.

“And what do you allege that Mr. Davis did unlawfully in this one?” the lawyer asked.

“Transferred blood to my uniform while Davis was resisting,” the cop said.

“And didn’t I ask you earlier in this deposition if Mr. Davis got blood on your uniform?”

“You did, sir.”

“And didn’t you respond no?”

“Correct. I did.”

Beaird seemed to be either admitting perjury or committing it. The depositions of other officers suggested that the “property damage” charges were not just bizarre, but trumped up.

“There was no blood on my uniform,” said Police Officer Christopher Pillarick.

And then there was Officer Michael White, the one accused of kicking Davis in the head, an allegation he denies, as his fellow officers deny striking Davis. White had reported suffering a bloody nose in the mayhem.

“Did you see Mr. Davis bleeding at all?” the lawyer, Schottel, asked.

“I did not,” White replied.

“Did Mr. Davis get any blood on you while you were in the cell?” Schottel asked.

“No,” White said.

The contradictions between the complaint and the depositions apparently are what prompted the prosecutor to drop the “property damage” allegation. The prosecutor also dropped a felony charge of assault on an officer that had been lodged more than a year after the incident and shortly after Davis filed his civil suit.

Davis suggested in his testimony that if the police really thought he had assaulted an officer he would have been charged back when he was jailed.

“They would have filed those charges right then and there, because that’s a major felony,” he noted.

Indisputable evidence of what transpired in the cell might have been provided by a surveillance camera, but it turned out that the VHS video was recorded at 32 times normal speed.

“It was like a blur,” Schottel told The Daily Beast on Wednesday. “You couldn’t see anything.”

The blur proved to be from 12 hours after the incident anyway. The cops had saved the wrong footage after Schottel asked them to preserve it.

Schottel got another unpleasant surprise when he sought the use-of-force history of the officers involved. He learned that before a new chief took over in 2010 the department had a surprising protocol for non-fatal use-of-force reports.

“The officer himself could complete it and give it to the supervisor for his approval,” the prior chief, Thomas Moonier, testified in a deposition. “I would read it. It would be placed in my out basket, and my secretary would probably take it and put it with the case file.”

No copy was made for the officer’s personnel file.

“Everything involved in an incident would generally be with the police report,” Moonier said. “I don’t know what they maintain in personnel files.”

“Who was in charge of personnel files, of maintaining them?” Schottel asked.

“I have no idea,” Moonier said. “I believe City Hall, but I don’t know.”

Schottel focused on the date of the incident.

“On September 20th, 2009, was there any way to identify any officers that were subject of one or more citizens’ complaints?” he asked.

“Not to my knowledge,” Moonier said.

“Was there any way to identify any officers who had completed several use-of-force reports?”

“I don’t recall.”

But however lax the department’s system and however contradictory the officers’ testimony, a federal magistrate ruled that the apparent perjury about the “property damage” charges was too minor to constitute a violation of due process and that Davis’ injuries were de minimis—too minor to warrant a finding of excessive force. Never mind that a CAT scan taken after the incident confirmed that he had suffered a concussion.

Schottel has appealed and expects to argue the case in the early fall. He will contend that perjury is perjury however minor the charge and note that both the NFL and Major League Baseball have learned to consider a concussion a serious injury.

Schottel figures the courts might take the problems of the Ferguson Police Department as more than de minimis as a result of the protests sparked when an officer shot and killed an unarmed 18-year-old named Michael Brown on the afternoon of Aug. 9.

“Your chances on appeal are going up,” a fellow lawyer told him.

At least one witness has said that Brown was shot in the back and then in the chest and head as he turned toward the officer with his hands raised.

“I said, ‘Well, that doesn’t surprise me,’” Schottel told The Daily Beast on Wednesday. “I said I already know about Ferguson, nothing new can faze me about Ferguson.”

Schottel has also deposed the new chief, Thomas Jackson, who took over in 2010. Jackson testified that he has instituted a centralized system whereby all complaints lodged against cops by citizens or supervisors go through him and are assigned a number in an internal affairs log. Schottel views Jackson as “not a bad guy,” someone who has been trying to make positive change.

“He wants to do right, but it was such a mess,” Schottel said Wednesday.

Jackson has seemed less than progressive as he delayed identifying the officer involved in the shooting for fear it would place him and his family in danger. Jackson would only say the officer is white and has been on the job for six years. This means that for his first two and most formative years the officer might have been writing his own force reports and that none of them went into his file.

“It’s hard to get people to clean things up, especially if they’re used to doing things a certain way,” Schottel said.

According to some reports, the officer will be identified on Friday. We already know that he started out at a time when it was accepted for a Ferguson cop to charge somebody with property damage for bleeding on his uniform and later say there was no blood on him at all.


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Many people I talked to yesterday are focusing on the looting and saying how the police are just doing their jobs. Also they believe the cops version of events.


I spent a nice chunk of my day Tuesday and Wednesday having this debate with my law enforcement friends and IMU on Facebook. I wasn't necessarily surprised at IMU's reaction but I was surprised that EVERYONE I knew in law enforcement that shared their thoughts sided with the officer and the cops terrorizing the citizens of Ferguson. Their belief was no matter what story was accurate (cop or witnesses) that the kid would be alive if he just did whatever the cop told him to do. They belittled the people in the communities they work in and had no issue with the appearance or the force being used. Despite the the multiple posts and 15k Facebook friends they have combined there were only a handful of other people that challenged their views. I was hoping Ashton Kutcher would pop out but he never did. Only 1 of those people were white (not including IMU).

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Their belief was no matter what story was accurate (cop or witnesses) that the kid would be alive if he just did whatever the cop told him to do.



This is the mentality that is frightening. These cops actually think they can do whatever they want. We have no obligation to do "whatever a cop wants". It's a terribly slippery slope. They could theoretically ask us to do whatever they want, and we're supposed to do it?

I'm not saying at all that cops have an "easy" job when you get into larger or more depressed cities or areas. I understand that they are probably become somewhat jaded. But part of their job is the responsibility to remember who they are and what their role is. We have to stop treating them as though they can do anything they want and are always right, and we must stop sending the message that it is "OK" for them to think so.

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Many people I talked to yesterday are focusing on the looting and saying how the police are just doing their jobs. Also they believe the cops version of events.


I spent a nice chunk of my day Tuesday and Wednesday having this debate with my law enforcement friends and IMU on Facebook. I wasn't necessarily surprised at IMU's reaction but I was surprised that EVERYONE I knew in law enforcement that shared their thoughts sided with the officer and the cops terrorizing the citizens of Ferguson. Their belief was no matter what story was accurate (cop or witnesses) that the kid would be alive if he just did whatever the cop told him to do. They belittled the people in the communities they work in and had no issue with the appearance or the force being used. Despite the the multiple posts and 15k Facebook friends they have combined there were only a handful of other people that challenged their views. I was hoping Ashton Kutcher would pop out but he never did. Only 1 of those people were white (not including IMU).

Great example of us vs. them.
I'd love to believe this is an isolated incident, but I know better. I live in a city area population of 2000. We have 5 full-time police officers. They seem nice. However I hear the stories from the out of county college students (read: from Philadelphia. read: Black) on how they are treated, I know it is not.
But don't worry, the most popular major we have is criminal justice where that major (here and everywhere) are cranking out CrimJ degrees that have totally over saturated the market. I would like to think that would help, but I doubt it.

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Many people I talked to yesterday are focusing on the looting and saying how the police are just doing their jobs. Also they believe the cops version of events.


I spent a nice chunk of my day Tuesday and Wednesday having this debate with my law enforcement friends and IMU on Facebook. I wasn't necessarily surprised at IMU's reaction but I was surprised that EVERYONE I knew in law enforcement that shared their thoughts sided with the officer and the cops terrorizing the citizens of Ferguson. Their belief was no matter what story was accurate (cop or witnesses) that the kid would be alive if he just did whatever the cop told him to do. They belittled the people in the communities they work in and had no issue with the appearance or the force being used. Despite the the multiple posts and 15k Facebook friends they have combined there were only a handful of other people that challenged their views. I was hoping Ashton Kutcher would pop out but he never did. Only 1 of those people were white (not including IMU).

Well, the only thing Ill say is I think you pretty much have to do whatever the cop tells you to do (within reason) for saftety's sake.

But that doesnt mean when a citizen doesnt comply the cop can just start fucking shooting


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Many people I talked to yesterday are focusing on the looting and saying how the police are just doing their jobs. Also they believe the cops version of events.


I spent a nice chunk of my day Tuesday and Wednesday having this debate with my law enforcement friends and IMU on Facebook. I wasn't necessarily surprised at IMU's reaction but I was surprised that EVERYONE I knew in law enforcement that shared their thoughts sided with the officer and the cops terrorizing the citizens of Ferguson. Their belief was no matter what story was accurate (cop or witnesses) that the kid would be alive if he just did whatever the cop told him to do. They belittled the people in the communities they work in and had no issue with the appearance or the force being used. Despite the the multiple posts and 15k Facebook friends they have combined there were only a handful of other people that challenged their views. I was hoping Ashton Kutcher would pop out but he never did. Only 1 of those people were white (not including IMU).

Well, the only thing Ill say is I think you pretty much have to do whatever the cop tells you to do (within reason) for saftety's sake.

But that doesnt mean when a citizen doesnt comply the cop can just start fucking shooting


It's not always the request that's made it's the words that are used. If I were walking in the street and a cop (whose salary I'm helping to pay) told me to "get the fuck on the sidewalk" there is a great chance I wouldn't move.

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Many people I talked to yesterday are focusing on the looting and saying how the police are just doing their jobs. Also they believe the cops version of events.


I spent a nice chunk of my day Tuesday and Wednesday having this debate with my law enforcement friends and IMU on Facebook. I wasn't necessarily surprised at IMU's reaction but I was surprised that EVERYONE I knew in law enforcement that shared their thoughts sided with the officer and the cops terrorizing the citizens of Ferguson. Their belief was no matter what story was accurate (cop or witnesses) that the kid would be alive if he just did whatever the cop told him to do. They belittled the people in the communities they work in and had no issue with the appearance or the force being used. Despite the the multiple posts and 15k Facebook friends they have combined there were only a handful of other people that challenged their views. I was hoping Ashton Kutcher would pop out but he never did. Only 1 of those people were white (not including IMU).

Well, the only thing Ill say is I think you pretty much have to do whatever the cop tells you to do (within reason) for saftety's sake.

But that doesnt mean when a citizen doesnt comply the cop can just start fucking shooting


It's not always the request that's made it's the words that are used. If I were walking in the street and a cop (whose salary I'm helping to pay) told me to "get the fuck on the sidewalk" there is a great chance I wouldn't move.

Yeah, I guess its really unique in each situation. Some requests are reasonable.


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My next door neighbor is a cop for a tougher suburb. The stories he tells me about the people he deals with every day gives me an insight as to how cops become jaded. They begin to see every citizen (especially minorities) as the enemy. The entire department has an attitude of us against them. Lest you think my neighbor is a white cop, you would be wrong.

It literally took this guy one year as a cop to become jaded about society.

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Many people I talked to yesterday are focusing on the looting and saying how the police are just doing their jobs. Also they believe the cops version of events.


I spent a nice chunk of my day Tuesday and Wednesday having this debate with my law enforcement friends and IMU on Facebook. I wasn't necessarily surprised at IMU's reaction but I was surprised that EVERYONE I knew in law enforcement that shared their thoughts sided with the officer and the cops terrorizing the citizens of Ferguson. Their belief was no matter what story was accurate (cop or witnesses) that the kid would be alive if he just did whatever the cop told him to do. They belittled the people in the communities they work in and had no issue with the appearance or the force being used. Despite the the multiple posts and 15k Facebook friends they have combined there were only a handful of other people that challenged their views. I was hoping Ashton Kutcher would pop out but he never did. Only 1 of those people were white (not including IMU).

Well, the only thing Ill say is I think you pretty much have to do whatever the cop tells you to do (within reason) for saftety's sake.

But that doesnt mean when a citizen doesnt comply the cop can just start fucking shooting


It's not always the request that's made it's the words that are used. If I were walking in the street and a cop (whose salary I'm helping to pay) told me to "get the fuck on the sidewalk" there is a great chance I wouldn't move.


Exactly. I would probably move. But only because he has a gun.

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We pay they're salary. Ideally, they would treat us with respect because we are their bosses.

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We pay they're salary. Ideally, they would treat us with respect because we are their bosses.

How about you put your hands up, and get on the ground?

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"Just doing my job" is so ridiculous. At some point, you must realize that a mortgage payment isn't worth trampling the rights of the already disenfranchised.



What rights are you talking about? They let them march and protest until Molotov cocktails were thrown at police officers, while chants of "kill the police" were heard. At that point lobbing tear gas and dispersing the crowd made a lot of sense. Now, with news that the "victim" had actually struck the police officer and tried to take his gun, I wonder how the liberal press will spin things? This whole mess is a product of lies from criminals and a liberal press that always seems to want to vilify those in Law Enforcement. What the police should have done, was to shoot anyone holding a Molotov cocktail, before they could throw it. Want to play with fire scarecrow?

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Nas was right.

Scooby's name is cleared!


Ferguson Police Release Name of Officer Who Killed Michael Brown

The Ferguson, Mo. Police Department has finally released the name of the officer who shot Michael Brown, the unarmed 18-year-old who was gunned down six days ago.

Darren Wilson was identified today as the officer who fatally shot Brown. He is a six-year veteran of the force, and had no prior disciplinary action on his record, according to Ferguson police chief Thomas Jackson.

On Wednesday, Gawker asked for the public's help in uncovering the name of the officer involved in the matter. We believed Brown's family, and the public at large, deserved the right to know the identity of the man who killed their son. Every bullet, we said, must be explicable; every life must be answerable. We believe that transparency is the price of power, and that there must be absolute accountability for the men and women who hold such positions. Officer Wilson must now answer for what he did.


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Tensions in Ferguson, which reached a boiling point Wednesday night, have since simmered. Missouri Governor Jay Nixon deployed state troopers to police the St. Louis suburb and help combat concerns of rising police militarization in the area.

As protestors rallied for justice Thursday, a member of the hacktivist collective Anonymous released the name of Bryan P. Willman as the officer who killed Brown. Ferguson PD later refuted the claim via Twitter, writing, "Bryan Willman is not even an officer with Ferguson or St. Louis County PD. Do not release more info on this random citizen."

But despite the police department's efforts to conceal the identity of the officer, witnesses came forward throughout the week to provide first-hand accounts of the bloody ordeal. In an interview with CNN, Tiffany Mitchell recounted what she saw:

"I didn't know exactly what was going on, but I knew it didn't look right for someone to be wrestling with the police through the police window, but I didn't get a video because a shot was fired through the window, so I tried to get out of the way. As I pull onto the side, the kid, he finally gets away, he starts running. As he runs the police get out of his vehicle and he follows behind him, shooting. And the kid's body jerked as if he was hit from behind, and he turns around and puts his hands up like this, and the cop continued to fire until he just dropped down to the ground and his face just smacks the concrete...I didn't count the shots, but it was more than about five or six shots... [The officer] was a white male, kind of tall, not too big... The whole thing wasn't right.
Prior to the release of Wilson's name, there was speculation that several community members were privy to his identity, and that he had a history of hassling kids in the area. Patricia Bynes, a Democratic Committeewoman in Ferguson, told NPR that "people in the community have told me who the police is. They know who he is. It's about, I guess, releasing [his name] at the much larger level. But people locally know who the cop is. The kids knew him. They told me that he would harass them all the time."

The FBI and Department of Justice have yet to release any information regarding their investigations into Brown's death.

Brown's life, however, was honored nationwide Thursday, as dozens of peaceful protests, vigils, and marches took place in New York City, Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., Detroit, and Chicago.


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My next door neighbor is a cop for a tougher suburb. The stories he tells me about the people he deals with every day gives me an insight as to how cops become jaded. They begin to see every citizen (especially minorities) as the enemy. The entire department has an attitude of us against them. Lest you think my neighbor is a white cop, you would be wrong.

It literally took this guy one year as a cop to become jaded about society.


Problem with that is they end up viewing people and communities the same way they're constantly complaining about the community viewing them.

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Many people I talked to yesterday are focusing on the looting and saying how the police are just doing their jobs. Also they believe the cops version of events.


I spent a nice chunk of my day Tuesday and Wednesday having this debate with my law enforcement friends and IMU on Facebook. I wasn't necessarily surprised at IMU's reaction but I was surprised that EVERYONE I knew in law enforcement that shared their thoughts sided with the officer and the cops terrorizing the citizens of Ferguson. Their belief was no matter what story was accurate (cop or witnesses) that the kid would be alive if he just did whatever the cop told him to do. They belittled the people in the communities they work in and had no issue with the appearance or the force being used. Despite the the multiple posts and 15k Facebook friends they have combined there were only a handful of other people that challenged their views. I was hoping Ashton Kutcher would pop out but he never did. Only 1 of those people were white (not including IMU).

Well, the only thing Ill say is I think you pretty much have to do whatever the cop tells you to do (within reason) for saftety's sake.
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But that doesnt mean when a citizen doesnt comply the cop can just start fucking shooting


It's not always the request that's made it's the words that are used. If I were walking in the street and a cop (whose salary I'm helping to pay) told me to "get the fuck on the sidewalk" there is a great chance I wouldn't move.


and then you might well be arrested for failing to obey a lawful order of a Police Officer. Congratulations, you're attitude will cost you a night in jail, bond money after your bond hearing, perhaps attorney fees and fines, court costs....but you showed him!

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 Post subject: Re: St Louis Looters
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Now, with news that the "victim" had actually struck the police officer and tried to take his gun, I wonder how the liberal press will spin things?

That's not news. That's been the cops story from the start and no one believes it.

Oh and good call on the protesters not getting their voices heard. Its only been on every news channel 24/7 and addressed by the President :lol:


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Is it safe to say Anonymous failed and put the life of an innocent man in danger? Let's not celebrate groups like this.

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My next door neighbor is a cop for a tougher suburb. The stories he tells me about the people he deals with every day gives me an insight as to how cops become jaded. They begin to see every citizen (especially minorities) as the enemy. The entire department has an attitude of us against them. Lest you think my neighbor is a white cop, you would be wrong.

It literally took this guy one year as a cop to become jaded about society.


Problem with that is they end up viewing people and communities the same way they're constantly complaining about the community viewing them.
Exactly. Both views are wrong but understandable.

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 Post subject: Re: St Louis Looters
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Is it safe to say Anonymous failed and put the life of an innocent man in danger? Let's not celebrate groups like this.

Yep if its ever traced back to whomever put that shit out there, they should be prosecuted .

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Is it safe to say Anonymous failed and put the life of an innocent man in danger? Let's not celebrate groups like this.

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Elmhurst Steve wrote:
Now, with news that the "victim" had actually struck the police officer and tried to take his gun, I wonder how the liberal press will spin things?

That's not news. That's been the cops story from the start and no one believes it.

Oh and good call on the protesters not getting their voices heard. Its only been on every news channel 24/7 and addressed by the President :lol:


Oh they got ATTENTION. They are being viewed as a bunch of criminals with the looting and throwing Molotov cocktails and chanting "kill the Police". But heard-No. The President is an ass. He acted poorly in this situation and has shown no concern for the store owners who's places of business were looted and destroyed. He has shown no concern for the officer who was attacked and who has had his life threatened. Instead, he inflames the situation. Worst President of my lifetime by far.

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Now, with news that the "victim" had actually struck the police officer and tried to take his gun, I wonder how the liberal press will spin things?

That's not news. That's been the cops story from the start and no one believes it.

Oh and good call on the protesters not getting their voices heard. Its only been on every news channel 24/7 and addressed by the President :lol:


Oh they got ATTENTION. They are being viewed as a bunch of criminals with the looting and throwing Molotov cocktails and chanting "kill the Police". But heard-No. The President is an ass. He acted poorly in this situation and has shown no concern for the store owners who's places of business were looted and destroyed. He has shown no concern for the officer who was attacked and who has had his life threatened. Instead, he inflames the situation. Worst President of my lifetime by far.

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The police chief kinda made it sound like the kid was a robbery suspect.

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 Post subject: Re: St Louis Looters
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