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The pics I'm seeing certainly seem to indicate the kid was an asswipe. Not 'shoot in the back as he's running away, then also after he stops and puts his hands up continue firing slugs into him' asswipe, but certainly an asswipe.


I'm seeing different pictures. Mainly of him smiling and some from his graduation. What's funny is I was having this conversation with a friend. The photos of kids or adults pretending to be tough usually backfire when they get killed. The perception of what type of person you are or were generally comes from your pictures.

Seeing many gang sign pics.



Even if he was in a gang or had a criminal record he was still shot in the back, right? At a distance? Even if he did go for the officers gun he obviously didn't get ahold of it.

If the officer was struck in the face that doesn't mean he automatically gets to shoot someone.


He is a gang member, was attempting a robbery, struck a Police officer and tried to take his firearm.....Yeah, we need people like this :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: St Louis Looters
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Even if he was in a gang or had a criminal record he was still shot in the back, right? At a distance? Even if he did go for the officers gun he obviously didn't get ahold of it.

If the officer was struck in the face that doesn't mean he automatically gets to shoot someone.

True, the shooting is murder and there is no justifying it


On the other hand, the story that he stole cigars is a little different than a kid just minding his own business walking down the street.


Not to mention that it took an entire department six days to release this latest version of alleged events despite the uproar down there.

Fish gonna swim, birds gonna fly & liars gonna lie imo.

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 Post subject: Re: St Louis Looters
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I'm seeing different pictures. Mainly of him smiling and some from his graduation. What's funny is I was having this conversation with a friend. The photos of kids or adults pretending to be tough usually backfire when they get killed. The perception of what type of person you are or were generally comes from your pictures.

Seeing many gang sign pics.



Even if he was in a gang or had a criminal record he was still shot in the back, right? At a distance? Even if he did go for the officers gun he obviously didn't get ahold of it.

If the officer was struck in the face that doesn't mean he automatically gets to shoot someone.


He is a gang member, was attempting a robbery, struck a Police officer and tried to take his firearm.....Yeah, we need people like this :roll:


He also was 18 years old. People can grow up and evolve into better people, unlike you, you trolling racist fucktwat.

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 Post subject: Re: St Louis Looters
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Steve is not intelligent enough to understand the "larger picture" and how giving laissez faire authority to police officers is not a good thing for society. He lives in a small, pathetic little world. There are many people like this in the world, unfortunately.

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 Post subject: Re: St Louis Looters
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Even if he was in a gang or had a criminal record he was still shot in the back, right? At a distance? Even if he did go for the officers gun he obviously didn't get ahold of it.

If the officer was struck in the face that doesn't mean he automatically gets to shoot someone.

True, the shooting is murder and there is no justifying it


On the other hand, the story that he stole cigars is a little different than a kid just minding his own business walking down the street.


Not to mention that it took an entire department six days to release this latest version of alleged events despite the uproar down there.

Fish gonna swim, birds gonna fly & liars gonna lie imo.

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 Post subject: Re: St Louis Looters
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Well, I think the cigar story can be easily checked right?


And now there are witnesses saying there was a struggle thru the window of the cop car. That was not confirmed before.


But let's not get it twisted. This kid may have stole some blunts and tried to run from the cop. Doesnt matter. Cant shoot em.


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 Post subject: Re: St Louis Looters
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Well, I think the cigar story can be easily checked right?


And now there are witnesses saying there was a struggle thru the window of the cop car. That was not confirmed before.


But let's not get it twisted. This kid may have stole some blunts and tried to run from the cop. Doesnt matter. Cant shoot em.


I agree, and regardless of the outcome, I am glad that it has generated discussion regarding the militarization of local police departments and the role of police in communities. It is a conversation that needs to be had.

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 Post subject: Re: St Louis Looters
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Steve is not intelligent enough to understand the "larger picture" and how giving laissez faire authority to police officers is not a good thing for society. He lives in a small, pathetic little world. There are many people like this in the world, unfortunately.



You say I live in a SMALL pathetic LITTLE world. Then you say unfortunately, there are many people like this. How do MANY people like this, all fit in a small, little world? Maybe you aren't intelligent enough to have recognized the hypocrisy involved in your post? Perhaps you need to consider that it was people far more intelligent than you, who decided that giving Police officers this authority was appropriate. The fact that you don't like them having it, is insignificant.

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 Post subject: Re: St Louis Looters
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For those Keeping Score at home, a few things not discussed or handed out:
- a use of force report;
- any police report written by Officer Wilson;
- any narrative of the shooting ... you know, the major point of all of this.


Again, let me know when we get something out there about the shooting of this kid, and not him horking some cigars from some midget's quickie mart.

It doesn't take a psyops expert to wonder how much of this is tactical distraction from the actual issue(s).

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 Post subject: Re: St Louis Looters
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Well, I think the cigar story can be easily checked right?


And now there are witnesses saying there was a struggle thru the window of the cop car. That was not confirmed before.


But let's not get it twisted. This kid may have stole some blunts and tried to run from the cop. Doesnt matter. Cant shoot em.


I agree, and regardless of the outcome, I am glad that it has generated discussion regarding the militarization of local police departments and the role of police in communities. It is a conversation that needs to be had.


Because of the superior firepower that many gangs had in shootouts with Police in the past, it became necessary to beef up the firepower that Departments could bring to bear. Now many departments have a decided upper hand in a potential conflict with even well armed gangs. This is how it should be.

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 Post subject: Re: St Louis Looters
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Steve is not intelligent enough to understand the "larger picture" and how giving laissez faire authority to police officers is not a good thing for society. He lives in a small, pathetic little world. There are many people like this in the world, unfortunately.



You say I live in a SMALL pathetic LITTLE world. Then you say unfortunately, there are many people like this. How do MANY people like this, all fit in a small, little world? Maybe you aren't intelligent enough to have recognized the hypocrisy involved in your post? Perhaps you need to consider that it was people far more intelligent than you, who decided that giving Police officers this authority was appropriate. The fact that you don't like them having it, is insignificant.


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 Post subject: Re: St Louis Looters
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Steve is not intelligent enough to understand the "larger picture" and how giving laissez faire authority to police officers is not a good thing for society. He lives in a small, pathetic little world. There are many people like this in the world, unfortunately.



You say I live in a SMALL pathetic LITTLE world. Then you say unfortunately, there are many people like this. How do MANY people like this, all fit in a small, little world? Maybe you aren't intelligent enough to have recognized the hypocrisy involved in your post? Perhaps you need to consider that it was people far more intelligent than you, who decided that giving Police officers this authority was appropriate. The fact that you don't like them having it, is insignificant.


:lol: No one gave police this level of authority. That's the entire point.

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 Post subject: Re: St Louis Looters
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Perhaps you need to consider that it was people far more intelligent than you, who decided that giving Police officers this authority was appropriate. The fact that you don't like them having it, is insignificant.

Except....they havent been given that authority.


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 Post subject: Re: St Louis Looters
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If the guy was a drug kingpin or mob boss who had just robbed a bank, and shot and killed five people, it still WOULD NOT justify a cop shooting him in the back. Deadly force should only be used if the cop's life is in danger. That is why we have due process.

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 Post subject: Re: St Louis Looters
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If the guy was a drug kingpin or mob boss who had just robbed a bank, and shot and killed five people, it still WOULD NOT justify a cop shooting him in the back. Deadly force should only be used if the cop's life is in danger. That is why we have due process.


Or there is an immediate threat to the public.


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That is why we have due process.


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 Post subject: Re: St Louis Looters
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The court system can barely get capital punishment fulfilled on convicted murderers, and we're moving away from the death penalty altogether. If the courts cannot even figure it out with respect to when a criminal should be put to death, how can we trust cops making snap judgments on the streets?

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 Post subject: Re: St Louis Looters
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If the guy was a drug kingpin or mob boss who had just robbed a bank, and shot and killed five people, it still WOULD NOT justify a cop shooting him in the back. Deadly force should only be used if the cop's life is in danger. That is why we have due process.


Or there is an immediate threat to the public.


Oh absolutely, if the guy is carrying a gun and firing at others, deadly force seems appropriate. My point was that the kid's prior history has zero to do with the justification for shooting him in the back.

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@jaketapper: 'Ferguson cops charged a man w/destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms after they allegedly beat him'

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I haven't been following this, seeing as I was on a tropical island for the past two weeks, but one of my life rules (there are several), is "put your hands on a cop and there is a decent chance you get shot". Not saying right or wrong, just surprised so many people don't know this little survial tip.

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 Post subject: Re: St Louis Looters
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If the kid is willing to commit robbery, assault a Police Officer and try to wrest away his gun, he has proven to me that he has no place in society other than a jail or a morgue.


this is pretty much the cop mentality : judge, jury & executioner...



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 Post subject: Re: St Louis Looters
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I haven't been following this, seeing as I was on a tropical island for the past two weeks, but one of my life rules (there are several), is "put your hands on a cop and there is a decent chance you get shot". Not saying right or wrong, just surprised so many people don't know this little survial tip.


Regardless, law enforcement should not take on vigilante justice. We all know the reality of how hot head cops act, especially towards young black men. It doesn't make it right. We have a huge cultural/social issue going on.

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 Post subject: Re: St Louis Looters
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I haven't been following this, seeing as I was on a tropical island for the past two weeks, but one of my life rules (there are several), is "put your hands on a cop and there is a decent chance you get shot". Not saying right or wrong, just surprised so many people don't know this little survial tip.


Perhaps your generally amusing albeit trite dumbfuckery is better placed in other threads.

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Not really. One was really lazy and more interested in looking at porn magazines he would borrow from the Convenient store


Is borrowing magazines from the quickie mart another perk police get? Or is there FREE HUSTLER and OUI FOR TEACHERS DAY too?

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Amazing that Americans who so value free speech, freedom of religion, gun rights, are so willing to give up other freedoms. Forget due process, protection from search and seizure (spying, cameras, etc.), ok to torture alleged terrorists, endless detention at Gitmo. My goodness. These are basic values we should fight to protect. Bill of Rights stuff. We are above all this.

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Not really. One was really lazy and more interested in looking at porn magazines he would borrow from the Convenient store


Is borrowing magazines from the quickie mart another perk police get? Or is there FREE HUSTLER and OUI FOR TEACHERS DAY too?


Stop yourself ... :lol: :lol:

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Amazing that Americans who so value free speech, freedom of religion, gun rights, are so willing to give up other freedoms. Forget due process, protection from search and seizure (spying, cameras, etc.), ok to torture alleged terrorists, endless detention at Gitmo. My goodness. These are basic values we should fight to protect. Bill of Rights stuff. We are above all this.


Despite it being written about Stalin, Communism, etc., Animal Farm turned out to be a fabulously prescient commentary on the Boomer generation.

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 Post subject: Re: St Louis Looters
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Well, I think the cigar story can be easily checked right?


And now there are witnesses saying there was a struggle thru the window of the cop car. That was not confirmed before.


But let's not get it twisted. This kid may have stole some blunts and tried to run from the cop. Doesnt matter. Cant shoot em.


You seem intent on glossing over the kid striking the Officer and trying to take his firearm. I wonder why you seem to want to overlook those things......

The fact is, if he shot the kid (whether in the back or not) and the kid was unarmed, the officer violated policy. It is policy that you do not use deadly force on a subject unless he poses an immediate threat to you or another (the public). I have no problem with what he did. But it does strike me that he is likely to be found in violation of departmental policies.

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You seem intent on glossing over the kid striking the Officer and trying to take his firearm.


Because it never happened, dumbass. There are plenty of witnesses who don't know each other telling the same story. The only ones who are saying what you keep repeating are the cops.

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