He seems like an asshole, actually.


Those pics from the store are pretty powerful. Nothing boils the blood quite like a bully.


Still didnt deserve to die (shouldnt have to write that but in this thread some would disagree)

The sad part of all of this is that everything is getting blurred by both sides and no real progress will be made as the extremes seem to be the only thing that matter.

The cops are over-militarized. Poor communities are treated poorly by the police. Everyday policeman do have a tough job where even small crimes can lead to major altercations. Rioting looks bad to outside observers no matter how just or unjust the cause may be.

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I would love to see some thoughts on how we can ever move past sins.

What would it take?

How can it be done?

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He SEEMED like a kid that made some bad decisions. I knew a lot of kids like that. Some became model citizens as adults. That video (that no one knew of or requested) has been very effective.

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Personally I believe things are primarily being overstated by 1 side. From the video that had nothing to do with the shooting to the talk of widespread looting that has been debunked by media on the ground. Mike Brown and the African American citizens of Ferguson have been put on trial in an attempt to justify the shooting and the over the top military response. It's working too.

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Couldn't agree more.

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BR, well said. I agree with all this.

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For sure.

I dont know that it took a lot of doing though. I think many people wanted the cop to be in the right more than they want the truth. There is some of that on both sides.

Nas, I watched a lot of CNN this weekend. I don't think the media is off on this at least on that channel. In fact, I found most commentators agreed that the shooting was not justified. Most of the coverage centered on how do we avoid these types of incidents in the future.

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My point is just that the real issues are getting overlooked based on these other less important developments. I'm not blaming the citizens of Ferguson for being fed up either. It's just a shame that the conversation isn't focused more on the real long term issues and less on riots and getting the name of the policeman.

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Other than Fox being Fox everyone else in the media appears to be in agreement. I'm talking about the narrative effectively being pushed by the police chief and other law enforcement officials in Ferguson.

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Understood.

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I would agree with this. And Fox has stooped to new lows even by their standards. I don't even watch them - some of the things they say are just brought up in articles I read. Terrible.

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My Daughter: Daddy is that the military?
Me: That's the police
My Daughter: Are they dressed up like the military
Me: [Long pause] I looks like it.

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National Guard was deployed. This should end well. I am personally insulted by Ronald Johnson being forced into his role.

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The social contract between government and the people is broken. I think most people recognize that. What saddens me is the cycle of poverty that is tough to break in our supposedly rich country. There are entire sections of our society that have limited opportunities to move up the socioeconomic ladder. Things like broken households, poor schools, stereo types, crime ridden neighborhoods, etc all conspire to work against these folks.

If I had a solution, I would outline it here. Unfortunately, despite thinking a lot about it, I do not.

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I agree for sure. I saw his speech yesterday, and it was just uncomfortable viewing. He is in a can't win situation.

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Better education will create more opportunities for people to climb that ladder. There is no doubt in my mind this is true.

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It's probably one of the few things broader society can try to fix.

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There are likely a few things that can be done to help change things/opportunities and so on. Education is certainly one. Part of the problems as I see it is that it takes big plans and real change and then the fortitude to ride them out a while. The problems that took so long to develop will not be changed/solved in a single presidential or other pol's single term or two. It certainly will no be allowed to develop in the current 24 hour cycle, internet, want it yesterday culture.

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Your last sentence is the reason we can't fix anything in this country. People want immediate solutions, and if an idea doesn't deliver that, people don't even want to pursue it.

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Seeing progress is important. Change shouldn't be expected to happen overnight but you would have many idiot parents and idiot black church leaders demanding that things go back to the way it used to be.

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And worse the pols now have been trained by the culture to promise the quick shit with big bangs and why bother with the big stuff.

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THE STAY AT HOME CHALLENGE! To the fine people of Ferguson!

Turn on the TV (you just stole) and make a Lasagna dinner as I assume the Dominoes dude has your entire area on the "No fly Zone"

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It's very difficult to tell the difference between a post from bigfan and Elmhurst Steve at times. That's unfortunate.

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Education isn't going to get better in this country while rich people can easily opt their kids out of it.

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No one has any motivation to solve problems.

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Steve's is usually spelled and punctuated correctly.

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My question to you on that would derail for 10 pages so another time.

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