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Will you pound Griese tomorrow or will you finally start to see that this is a bad offense? No quarterback can succeed if every part of the offense is bad.

I believe I have spread around the blame to all components of the offense, dating back to LAST year. "The five blocks of silly putty" was never a reference to Grossman. Who's been tougher on Olin Kreutz than I've been? Who, for a couple years, has stated "Muhammad's days are in the rear view mirror?"

Griese was bad. That really isn't up for debate. Please don't suggest, however, that I have limited my criticisms of the Bears' offense to the quarterback. It simply isn't true.

Also, Grossman was given 22 games over the past 2 seasons to show what he can do. I think you can't rip into Griese too hard until he has at least 2 or 3 games under his belt to shake off the rust. If he plays as bad as he did on Sunday, then he will deserve to be ripped.

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The Bears are fucked at the QB position now and for the foreseeable future. McNabb looked pretty good last night, huh? Just play Orton and start scouting for a QB to draft. But that being said, Angelo will fuck that pick up too. He can pick defensive players, but offense wise he is dogshit.
The window that the Bears had to win the Super Bowl has now been slammed shut. As bad as the QB is, the O line and running game is non-existent. The Turner boys should be tossed out of the NFL. How many teams and offenses have those two destroyed over the years. The Chargers losing to KC ????????

Norv Turner has as many holes in his offense as his face does. Great post Un-Gotz and I agree with everything you said.

Funny how Turner leaves the Illini and Zook brings in a whole new scheme and now the Illini have a high powered offense . The play calling was horse shit yesterday.. Fuck it, they might as well install the Wishbone or start running the option because they can't throw or catch the ball .

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There's always been this strawman put forth by Grossman-apologists where anyone who believed Grossman should be benched also thought that Griese was Joe Montana. Nonsense. The simple fact is, when your QB is garbage, you have to try your backups, even if they might be garbage as well. Well, looks like the backup is garbage too. At least we know. I'm ready to find out for sure whether Kyle is garbage; no doubt he is, and now the Bears can get to work drafting the next piece of garbage that will 'lead' our team to ineptitude. I wish Tebow was a year older.

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unless the bears have peyton manning back there, the QB play is going to be bad because the run game sucks. the Oline still is silly putty, and benson fucking blows. as good as angelo has been finding and signing defensive stars, its time he take some heat for not doing anything with this horrendous offense.

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The offense was better because Thomas Jones is professional running back and Cedric Benson can't hold Jone's jock strap. Angelo, Lovie, and Ron Turner must take responsibility for this debacle.

Garbage, not difference makers, whatever you want to call it. At best, you can hope for these guys to not fuck you in your ass when you're not looking.


Couldn't agree more. That offense was nothing more than a flash in the pan. If you hope to have any serious offensive success, you need an actual QB.


This O line is broken. Nothing else really matters at this point unless they can get that fixed; our QBs and receivers and Cedric Benchin' make that more obvious than it would otherwise be, however.

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It's not an excuse machine. It was a rationale decision to give Rex at least 2 or 3 games this season to show what he can do. I'm not going to call for Griese to be benched after 1 game. I think I may have been a little different then most of the Rex bashers as that I wanted to know if Griese was better or not and to give Rex a chance to try and win his spot back. I wouldn't be too upset if Griese falters and Rex is given another chance. If Rex fails, then move onto Orton as a tryout for next year, bring in a veteran, and draft a rookie QB if there is a good one available.

I don't care how good or bad of a QB you were in the past, if you have barely played for two years you are not going to come in and light the world on fire.

If Griese plays like that for two more games then I will probably be calling for Rex to be given another(and final) shot at the job. Players lose their spot and fight to get it back. I wanted that to happen last year(and we could have cut Griese since we would know about him) and it happened this year.

I've been pretty consistent in saying that I never understood why benching Rex meant that he had no chance of ever playing for the Bears again. Give him a second chance if Griese plays bad but give Griese a chance to take the job.

This is all coming from a big Kyle Orton backer, but I think Rex(and any QB who is considered a potential franchise QB) deserves a second chance. Sometimes sitting out a game or two is the best thing that can happen to a QB. I know it is college, but Kyle Orton lost his spot as a sophomore and had to fight his way back to the field. Once he did he went on to have a good junior year and a great senior year.

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I'm not at all happy with Benson, but I'm sick of hearing about the great Thomas Jones. He had 12 carries for 35 yards yesterday against the woeful Bills. Thomas Jones was largely the product of a team with above-average line play that was willing to stick with the run even when they weren't successful at first; this year, we have shit line play, and an inexplicable obsession with passing on first down, even when the run game is seemingly picking up steam.


BTW, Berrian has taken a step back.

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You sure as hell got that right. Maybe he's injured or something. He does not have the stretch he seemed to have last year, seems to be missing a step and maybe a hand.

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I didn't claim that Thomas Jones was a superstar. I said he is a professional and because Jones is a much better back than Benson the O-line looked better last year. It is the soame o-line, the only change for the first 3 games was Benson.

I think this guy's hands must have had a run-in with Medusa in the offseason.

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Maybe he keeps his gloves too close to his jersey when he sprays the "Pam" on it...

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I submit that they're not at all the same O-line, and it was obvious even in the preseason that they had lost more than a step. Again, Benchin' isn't helping, but this line just isn't creating the holes up the middle on which the Bears running game is predicated. In fact, thinking about it a little more, I'd say that this O-line was on its way down at the end of last season, most notably in the SB, where they were unable to do a damn thing against the vaunted Bob-Sanders-led Colts run defense.

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You cant blame an RB for a bad game with only 12 carries. Many RBs always say they need at least 20 to be fully productive. Since it was a close game why dont you blame the offensive coordinator for that. The week before against the Dolphins TJ looked great, including the best stiff arm by anyone in the NFL so far this year on that one guy he pushed backwards like 6-7 yards and then knocked on his ass. People ripping Thomas Jones continually overlook all the other aspects he brought to the game. He was the only guy on this team that could pick up a blitz, which would be pretty helpful right about now dont you think? He also could catch passes better out of the backfield and had 10x better running vision. the NFL isnt all about 40' speeds and combine workouts. On the field Thomas Jones made up for alot of his lack of physical attributes by being very tough and very smart, two things Benson is about as far away from as you can get.

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Nothing like gambling on first round picks

Ive said it for the past 3 years, but that Benson pick was one of the dumbest moves ever. I know we didnt know what he would be at the time, I guess we still dont, but either get an RB from FA or the Draft, to do both in one year is just stupid. I could see maybe a second or third rounder as insurance if Jones didnt work out, but to use a top 4 pick is just absurd.

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It wasn't the same year. Jones was picked up before the 2004 season to play in the Terry Shea offense to be a Priest Holmes/Marshall Faulk-type back. Cedric Benson was drafted for the 2005 season because Thomas Jones was not "special" and Benson fit the Ron Turner offense. Of course now they're saying that Benson's style doesn't fit Ron Turner's offense whatever....personally I disagree. I think his style fits Ron Turner's offense perfectly... he has no break away ability and he never scores, it's a perfect match.

Ronnie Brown, Cadillac Williams, and Cedric Benson all have not lived up to the potential they had. It was a train wreck watching Benson cry on stage at the draft though.

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Correct. None of these backs have lived up to their potential. But Benson is by far the worst:
Total yards and TDs for their careers:
Ronnie Brown 2,982 yards & 14 TDs
Carnell Williams 2,478 yards & 10 TDs
Cedric Benson 1,267 yards & 7 TDs
....absolutely pathetic!!

This is Benson's first year of starting.

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What would it cost the Bears to swoop in and sign Romo? His deal is up and I think it would cost them 2 #1 picks?

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What makes you think a more talented QB will fare any better in this offense?

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That's my point, he's the 4th pick in the draft and he didn't start for 2 years and the only reason he's starting now is because the team traded their #1 running back. Holdout, injury, I don't care....running backs should start immediately and have an impact immediately and he hasn't done a thing.

His mobility & elusiveness (as shown against the Bears) would at least give him a shot behind that porous o-line.

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I don't but the fact we could have the Tony Romo show on AM 1000 every Monday and a re-rack at 6pm , 7PM , 8PM , 9PM , 10, PM , 11 PM gives me chills and excitment beyond belief..

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[Coch]That's just dumb.[/Coch]

Dude, Angelo signed TJ to a big FA contract, and drafted Benson the next year. The plan was to work Benson in gradually. Now, he held out, which fucked up his rookie season, but IMO, it's hard to blame him for that, because such is the danger with high first-round picks. Since that time, TJ and Benson have been splitting carries; what, you expect them to take something that was working in their running game and fix it? Blame them for drafting where they didn't have a great need if you want (I sure did when they drafted a RB), but to pretend that a RB should have an immediate impact regardless of the situation is unfair.


Yet, Benson had 15 carries and people, yourself included, do exactly that. I guess that extra 3 carries makes all the difference. The one time this season Benson carried more than 20 times, he got over 100 yards. Benson's problem is not running; his problem is the fumbles, because they bench him when he fumbles. He never gets into any rhythm, because of the Bears penchant for throwing on first down and Benson's refusal to hang onto the ball.

And TJ's pass blocking? O-ver-rate-ed *clip-clap-clippity-clap* I also don't see why you list receiving among TJ's attributes, because so far as I can tell, Benson is every bit as good as TJ in that regard, if not better.

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I say they should just punt it on first down and give Hester more chances to return either a punt back or a kickoff.

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but wasn't Ced hurt for a full season?

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