If I were a betting man I would just about guarantee you that Officer Wilson won't be convicted and it's unlikely he will even get charged based on everything I know about the shooting and all the players involved. Police are given the benefit of the doubt more times than not. Ferguson Police have made many people believe that he was acting in self defense. Bob McCulloch is unlikely to charge him because of injuries and some inconsistencies in the witnesses stories. The DOJ won't be able to prove that he targeted the kid because he was black so they won't have a case either.[/quote]

If that is the outcome, will that be helpful?

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None of us can make the first statement with a view of all the facts.

And some people don't care how it will end up. Some people have just had enough. Like this guy today.

ST. LOUIS, MO (KTVI) – St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson says officers warned a suspect multiple times to put down his weapon before they shot and killed him.

The shooting happened around 1 p.m. Tuesday at McLaran and Riverview. Police say the suspect tried to rob the Six Star Market convenience store with a knife. Chief Sam Dotson said the store owner let the man leave the store. A St. Louis City Alderwoman witnessed the man walking erratically around and called police.

When officers arrived, the suspect refused to put down weapon despite multiple verbal command by police. Chief Sam Dotson says the man yelled at officers “shoot me now” several times. Witnesses also confirmed what the man said.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Right, Im sure theres no agenda here. Everyone is telling the truth.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

I have the same thought as I did with the Zimmerman/Martin case, I would love to know the truth. I suspect in both cases, there is poor judgment going on with both sides. In the Zimmerman case, I concluded that Zimmerman probably had a right to fear for his life when he fired, but that he was the cause of the entire incident.

In this case, it seems like the police went way too far and had a lot of alternate paths. If there was a struggle in the cop car and/or the victim charged at the cop, it is going to be hard support the victim to the point of convicting the cop.

My opinion isn't worth much in either case. I don't have to walk around America in a poor neighborhood as an African American. I completely understand the rage and pain of collective black America. With Zimmerman and the current case, these incidents do not happen if the victim is white. That's the only thing I am sure of.

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I don't believe they are, but you seem as hellbent on agreeing with the cops as many are on disagreeing with them.

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I wouldn't want anyone to be sacrificed to pacify a group of people. That being said that outcome may create other problems. That's probably a good thing. This is a topic that needs to be discussed.

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Asking questions is what everyone has the right to do. I'm surprised a libertarian would have an issue with that. Questioning an officer and attacking an officer isn't the same.

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No. I've acknowledged that it's likely that he did something to really piss the officer off. That being said he should have been arrested once he got 40 feet away. If the officer was struck in the face and immediately shot him this wouldn't be a story.

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Yes it would. White officer shooting a black suspect no matter what is going to be a story.

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Not true. White officers killed 100 black people last year and none of them became a national story. I'm shocked at how many white people and police officers feel like victims because of this story. I'm even more disturbed by people who believe they should give all of their rights away to officers.

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How many did black officers kill? Be an interesting counterpoint.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

I don't give a fuck if this moron stole some cigars n popped a cop in the face...you can't shoot someone 6 times because you're mad n he's fleeing .

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I believe it was more than that.

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Hell Steve didn't even want to wait for an arrest. He just wanted the guy dead.

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I share your concern at that end. The attitude normalizes intrusion by supplying authorities with what is probably more authority than formally granted to them, and it's done, frustratingly, under misguided concepts of law and liberty.

I'm just remarking on what I think should be a demand on which everyone can agree: a transparent, unimpeded, comprehensive investigation into the shooting. I don't know why the angst of the law abiding protestors demanding that type of inquiry among the folks in that city is dismissed or even not acknowledged by people who would rather concentrate on things that have nothing to do with the shooting.

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You know what I also find offensive? The idea that the black witnesses are likely lying because they want the white cop to go to jail. We never hear this when the witnesses are white. Reality is a lot of black people have spent many years in jail because witnesses and even cops lied.

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Blacks just need to lie better. Where's their work ethic?

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You can't bring that up. You are living in the past and not realizing Dr. King's dream.

All black people should just stop breaking the laws that are designed to target them enforced by people who are socialized and basically trained to target them (as evidenced in this thread by a former "cop") and stop being drama queens.

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Replace "black" with "poor" and I think we are at where we need to be.

In general I agree with you. It is a class issue. If it were framed that way people who are on opposite sides of a race issue may unite.

In that area the police are targeting blacks. A high ranking officer was indicted when when a white cop blew the whistle on him telling them to target blacks and have a "Black Day".

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Oh, no doubt and props to the whistle blower. It would be nice to have more like that.

The class issue is the bigger issue but it's always interesting to see all the supposed "Really.Smart.People" completely ignore it and go right for the racial angle to inflame and distract.

Of course it's a class issue. And blacks make up a large portion of the poor relative to their percentage of the general population. If we are discussing these issues in general, fine, it's a class issue. But to ignore race in this particular situation is naive at best.

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The mayor of Ferguson makes something like $300 a month. That explains why he doesn't care.

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Never said I was ignoring it.

Im not sure of your context here.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

SomeGuy said it was a class issue more than a race issue, which in general, I completely agree with and think needs to be highlighted more.

I then said it was also a race issue in this particular circumstance and in this particular town.

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Race issue how? That the only reason this guy is dead is because he's black? That the cop wouldn't have fired on a white kid who was 6'4 300 and tried to grab his gun during a struggle?

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

What would you say if Mike Brown's fingerprints aren't on the gun or if someone has video of the cop shooting him while his hands were in the air? This cop may or may not have cared if he was black but the police in that area have been guilty of harassing and targeting blacks. This is true in many places in this country.

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The relationship between African Americans and police is at best acrimonious. It's a facet that will always skew any discussion or incident involving the two groups. In this particular incident both sides have drawn the proverbial line in the sand and thus suspicion will loom even if confronted with the truth. Two particular incidents come to mind. About a year ago a thirteen yr old was shot to death by a police officer in New York. Witnesses stated that the thirteen yr old was shooting at the police officer at the time he was killed. This did not prevent the Aunt from alleging that her nephew was wrongfully killed. She actually stated on camera that the cop did not have to do this. The second incident involved the killing of a teenager at 6 1st and Michigan. The kid was alleged to have shot at a police officer at the time he was killed. The kids parent stated that her son was wrongly killed. She stated that he was an upstanding citizen and the pistol found at the scene was planted by police. I knew a kid who knew the teenager. He emphatically told me that the kid carried pistols was a gangbanger and was the type of kid that would shoot at police. The relationship between African Americans and the police is rather contentious and this case has fueled the existing animosity of both sides. The hope is that something constructive can come of this but the likelihood of this occurring is slight. The protests had more to do with the everyday circumstances experienced by the citizens of that town. The killing of the kid served as the impetus for expressing frustration. When this situation calms down everyone will revert back to their respective corners until another such incident arises. There will be a lot of banter yet the underlying conditions will persist