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Of course it's a class issue. And blacks make up a large portion of the poor relative to their percentage of the general population. If we are discussing these issues in general, fine, it's a class issue. But to ignore race in this particular situation is naive at best.

Im not sure of your context here.


SomeGuy said it was a class issue more than a race issue, which in general, I completely agree with and think needs to be highlighted more.

I then said it was also a race issue in this particular circumstance and in this particular town.

Race issue how? That the only reason this guy is dead is because he's black? That the cop wouldn't have fired on a white kid who was 6'4 300 and tried to grab his gun during a struggle?



People's point is the cop never would have fucked with a white guy and told him to get out of the street. Leaving aside the possibility the cop fucked with him due to the store thing.

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I bet few of them live there too.

I was on a job interview back in my job interviewing days, where the college had a rule: if you work for the college, you live in the town. I don't know how they could be allowed to enforce it (private school being allowed to make its own rules?) however, they did it to encourage town and gown relations (it did! From what I saw and have seen since, there is a positive relationship between the campus and community). I wonder if they had this rule for police officers (I KNOW it can never happen, but what about getting paid more if you live in town?) if that would help? Well, I know it would help, but it could never happen.



Is this not the rule in Chicago? Probably harder in burbs. I can't see the police of Lake Forest like places owning a home there.

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I bet few of them live there too.

I was on a job interview back in my job interviewing days, where the college had a rule: if you work for the college, you live in the town. I don't know how they could be allowed to enforce it (private school being allowed to make its own rules?) however, they did it to encourage town and gown relations (it did! From what I saw and have seen since, there is a positive relationship between the campus and community). I wonder if they had this rule for police officers (I KNOW it can never happen, but what about getting paid more if you live in town?) if that would help? Well, I know it would help, but it could never happen.



Is this not the rule in Chicago? Probably harder in burbs. I can't see the police of Lake Forest like places owning a home there.

Nas confirmed it is in Chicago, and you are right about the 'burbs - at least in the ones I grew up (Highland Park, Deerfield) many of the cops live farther north (Canada).

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People's point is the cop never would have fucked with a white guy and told him to get out of the street. Leaving aside the possibility the cop fucked with him due to the store thing.


Unless the Ferguson Police Chief was lying Officer Wilson didn't know Mike Brown was a suspect in the store theft.

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http://fox2now.com/on-air/live-streaming-2/

Watching white people set up shots for live reports, actively deciding whether to use either flashing police lights or a congregation of colored folks as a background is some of the most thoroughly amusing footage I've seen in a long time.

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After several days of watching protestors chant and whatnot, I'm particularly struck by the real lack of rhythmic variety and intricacy in the drumming and chanting, given the demographic of said protestors.

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http://fox2now.com/on-air/live-streaming-2/

Watching white people set up shots for live reports, actively deciding whether to use either flashing police lights or a congregation of colored folks as a background is some of the most thoroughly amusing footage I've seen in a long time.

Some people would have you believe they're one in the same.

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The Clerks-like "We're Open" sign in the background of one of the streamers has been a source of amusement a few days now.

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http://fox2now.com/on-air/live-streaming-2/

Watching white people set up shots for live reports, actively deciding whether to use either flashing police lights or a congregation of colored folks as a background is some of the most thoroughly amusing footage I've seen in a long time.

Some people would have you believe they're one in the same.


I've never confused flashing lights with people.

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I find the "he tried to take the cops gun" very unbelievable. Just doesn't make sense, IMO


Is it possible the cop grabbed the kid by the arm to stop him from running and they struggled til the d ripped away and ran?


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I find the "he tried to take the cops gun" very unbelievable. Just doesn't make sense, IMO


Is it possible the cop grabbed the kid by the arm to stop him from running and they struggled til the d ripped away and ran?

Id ask that of his buddy who was standing right there who saw him get shot in the back. Seems to be pretty reliable.

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Conservative sites have been saying for the past 24 hours that more than 12 witnesses are corroborating Officer Wilson's version of events and that he has facial fractures. No one else seems to be reporting this.

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I find the "he tried to take the cops gun" very unbelievable. Just doesn't make sense, IMO


Is it possible the cop grabbed the kid by the arm to stop him from running and they struggled til the d ripped away and ran?


A guy the size of a mid-card professional wrestler squeezed into the window of a four-door sedan to reach for a cop's gun ... failed ... ran away ... then turned around and decided to play 'Pamplona' with the officer, who at that time decided to pull the weapon and unload into the fella.

I have a hard time understanding why anyone would question the veracity of this description of events particularly since it's partially corroborated by some broad the officer is banging on the side.

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Where is the NRA? Isn't this the type of story they should love?

You are not the only one asking:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/19/why-isn-t-the-nra-defending-ferguson-s-blacks.html


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I think the police tend to be the bad guys anyway.

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I find the "he tried to take the cops gun" very unbelievable. Just doesn't make sense, IMO


Is it possible the cop grabbed the kid by the arm to stop him from running and they struggled til the d ripped away and ran?

Id ask that of his buddy who was standing right there who saw him get shot in the back. Seems to be pretty reliable.


You do realize they both were running away? He didn't really have a great view of where he may have been hit. According to medical examiner one of the shots to the arm could have come when he was running away.

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 Post subject: Re: St Louis Looters
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i think i read that the problem is that the police force, on the other hand, is predominantly white. so...it looks bad.


I bet few of them live there too.

I was on a job interview back in my job interviewing days, where the college had a rule: if you work for the college, you live in the town. I don't know how they could be allowed to enforce it (private school being allowed to make its own rules?) however, they did it to encourage town and gown relations (it did! From what I saw and have seen since, there is a positive relationship between the campus and community). I wonder if they had this rule for police officers (I KNOW it can never happen, but what about getting paid more if you live in town?) if that would help? Well, I know it would help, but it could never happen.

This was just a rule in Milwaukee for I know teachers and cops, and I am sure other jobs. It just changed last year.

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BTW, 2 cops shot in Harvey tonight. No word yet on if the rest of the department have started looting.

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Yikes! Badrogue17 a young black kid was killed in Missouri today by 2 white cops. Guess what happened? Most of the black witnesses agreed with the white cops. I'm really not sure what the overall point you are making is but I would love to get a better understanding of your thoughts.

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Where is the NRA? Isn't this the type of story they should love?

You are not the only one asking:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/19/why-isn-t-the-nra-defending-ferguson-s-blacks.html


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They said the black protesters were "angrily chanting" and "taunting" the cops because they were saying "Hands up! Don't shoot! ". The New Black Panthers have maybe 4 members but they bring them up every day.

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These types of situations always play out the same way. 1. There is the outrage. 2. Civil rights leader grandstanding. 3. False equivocation from defenders of the perpetrator 4. The inevitable call for calm. 5 Discussion and Analysis from the conservative and liberal media. 6. The return to "normalcy".
This is social injustice 101. This appears to be an injustice but there are far other injustices inflicted upon African Americans. I'm not trying to minimize this but the underlying conditions which allow for this to happen are of greater concern. There are a certain sector of Americans that argue that racism doesn't exist or even if they allow for racism will go out of their way to always disprove individual instances of Racism. That's the Fox News approach. To a man they will admit there is racism in the U.S but they never quite know when it occurs. Even when presented with facts that are irrefutable, they'll dissent. The underlying conditions have to change if this is going to be eradicated.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/08/19/im-a-cop-if-you-dont-want-to-get-hurt-dont-challenge-me/


Follow directions and you won't be shot. Sounds simple



Look, the cop was in the wrong to shoot this kid...but why challenge a cop? You gotta know that things wont end well for you.


Asking questions is what everyone has the right to do. I'm surprised a libertarian would have an issue with that. Questioning an officer and attacking an officer isn't the same.

A libertarian wouldn't have an issue with that. But you know that.

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Nas wrote:
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Where is the NRA? Isn't this the type of story they should love?

You are not the only one asking:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/19/why-isn-t-the-nra-defending-ferguson-s-blacks.html


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They said the black protesters were "angrily chanting" and "taunting" the cops because they were saying "Hands up! Don't shoot! ". The New Black Panthers have maybe 4 members but they bring them up every day.


here's a fair and balanced article that isn't written with any bias or political angle at all!

http://wizbangblog.com/2014/08/19/note-the-difference-between-bundy-ranch-protest-and-ferguson-riots/


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:lol: White people. Protesting the right was since 1776.

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Apples and Oranges. To compare a law abiding citizen, who never was violent and then had his cattle taken from him over grazing rights, to a thug who robbed a store, while physically assaulting the store owner, before striking a Police Officer and trying to wrest his service weapon from him....... is a stretch Hawk Harrelson can't even imagine.

Bottom line- Store owners, Police officers and society in general, is better off the punk is dead. One look at that store video is all you need. That kid was never going to be a contributing member of society.

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Apples and Oranges. To compare a law abiding citizen, who never was violent and then had his cattle taken from him over grazing rights, to a thug who robbed a store, while physically assaulting the store owner, before striking a Police Officer and trying to wrest his service weapon from him....... is a stretch Hawk Harrelson can't even imagine.

I like how you state the officer's version as fact.


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Apples and Oranges. To compare a law abiding citizen, who never was violent and then had his cattle taken from him over grazing rights, to a thug who robbed a store, while physically assaulting the store owner, before striking a Police Officer and trying to wrest his service weapon from him....... is a stretch Hawk Harrelson can't even imagine.

I like how you state the officer's version as fact.


Like a judge, I tend to believe the more credible witnesses.

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