A good QB running for his life is going to be a poor QB.

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True, but he could probably still out-gain our RBs.

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You seem to be missing my point so let me be more clear because I'm sure you'll agree with it. Benson is a disappointment and I choose to blame him since he is responsible for his actions (ie contract holdout, bad attitude, lack of effort ...all his choice).

I don't think Ron Turner is the problem.

Look at these stats...
Time of possession 30:23 (out of 60)
1st downs Bears 22 Det 19

At first I was also pissed off at this stat...
52 passing attempts 22 rushing attempts

But the running game is not working. It's a critical game. What's Turner to do? He's got to try to win and the only way to do that is go w/ what's working.

Next to turnovers the the BIGGEST problem we have is the O-line not creating holes for Benson. This not only is this a problem for the offense but the lack of a running game keeps our defense on the field too long. Which in turns leads to defensive break downs and even worse injuries.

I see the whole team problem as fixable. We need to be able to run the ball effectively.

Only reason why TJ was successful last year is because TJ is a cut back runner. So all the O-line had to do was bunch up all the defenders and TJ would cut back. Then Benson would come in the 2nd half and beat up a tired defense.

Benson is not a cutback runner. He's a north/south runner and needs holes created by the line.

I'm not entirely letting Ron off the hook but I don't fault his game calling. I lay more fault in him for his personal packages and not getting Hester and Olson more involved. Especially when we have 52 pass plays and only 1 pass goes to Hester & Olson.

That I do agree with. I just didn't agree with your point that he was immediately a disappointment after not being an impact player in his rookie season. I've certainly had more than I am able to bear of his attitude.

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Right, but I wasn't saying that he HAD TO be the #1 back his first year to be successful, just that he wasn't #1 in his 1st year or 2nd year and wouldn't have been this year had Thomas Jones not been traded and, just like Rex, enough waiting and excuses. Get it done or get out. So it looks like next year we just need a new quarterback, running back, 2 receivers, both guards, a right tackle, a strong safety, strong side linbacker...anything else?

He never seemed that interested before then.

All I want to know: Is there some way the Jets would be duped into trading Thomas Jones for Cedric Benson?

First of all, how is TJ's pass blocking overrated? I feel like you just throw that out there because you seem to dislike him, which is fine, but its just not true. hes one of the best pass blockers in the NFL and is regarded as such. I rip Benson not because of his stats, but because of specific things he does in games, you just took a box score and criticized in without watching the game(im guessing since they were on at the same time), which is one of my big pet peeves with fans. If you are the starting back and only get 12 carries and its a 3 point game, the OC needs to take some blame for that, just like I have blamed Ron Turner and the offensive line way more than I have blamed Benson. Some of the things Benson does however, are just completely inexcusable even for a rookie in his first ever game(like running behind Rex as Ware crushed him last week). TJ may be an average runner, but he has great vision, is really tough, and is one of the best pass blockers in the league. Who gives a shit if Benson has all the talent in the world(which he doesnt) if he is never going to show it. Just wait till the end of their careers and see who has more career yardage and you will have your answer as to who was the better back, Benson wont even be in the league by the times hes 30.

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hey it could be worse


We could be Chargers fans



Norv Turner versus his brother in Madden 2007 on the X box


3-3 friggin tie

Think maybe he's upset that he didn't get the contract extension that the others have gotten? By the way he's playing, he won't be seeing that extension from the Bears. Every drop he has is costing him $.

Yeah, like Olen Krutz is one of the best Centers, and is regarded as such. Seriously: I definitely recall this coming up last year, and Jones having some issues in the pass-blocking.

And I really don't dislike TJ at all. In fact, I like him quite a bit. What I'm sick of is everyone recounting stories of TJ as though he were fucking Bill Brasky.


This much we are 100% on the same page. Benson has been disappointing in several areas on the field, and continues to say troubling things in interviews.


TJ probably is the better back, career-wise. My once high hopes for Benson are all but dashed. My point is simply this; people act as if the running game would be much better if only we still had TJ. Horseshit. As crappy as Benson has been, I saw TJ play, and I know how he'd be doing with this line. He wasn't the type to break tackles or double back across the field and out-run defenders. He wasn't the special type of runner who could make yardage regardless of bad line-play. Maybe the run game would be a little better, but a difference maker? No way. I just don't buy it. I'm sick of people acting like the great Thomas Jones would be running rough-shod all over the Bears opponents, despite the ridiculously bad line play.

It's a peeve of mine; don't take it personally, as I generally agree with your point.

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Matt, I couldn't agree more on both sentences.

I think we generally agree also. I rate TJ higher than most people, but theres only 1 or 2 backs in the NFL right now that would be having a dominant year with this shitty line. He definitely would not have been a difference maker. Too bad they couldnt get the real Adrian Peterson, theres absolutely no way he will be a bust. He will be a 6 or 7 time pro bowler at least by the time hes done. Just an amazing combo of speed and strength. One of the best rookie RBs I have seen in quite some time.

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