You were wrong on Shark. Everyone knows that. That battle is long over.

Slow down, take a long drag on a blueberry pie tasting phallic symbol and rethink that one

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You're confusing me with Darkside


And you were wrong on Samardzija. That argument ended with the trade.

Oh. I didn't know that. I thought it was a discussion about the player. Silly me.

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Your words would carry more weight if you occassionally admitted being wrong. (Like calling Jeff Samardzija a #4 level starter)

What is he on the A's? Even further, what is he on a healthy A's staff?

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The good dolphin shark obsession is weird. Big picture...Theo took a failed reliever and turned him into a #3 while marketing him as an ace. His marketing yielded a top 10 prospect at SS in all of baseball and LF raking in A+.

400 level GMing right there.

uh...ok.

Yeah, Billy Beane's a real idiot.

I'm waiting for some body part to fall off of each Athletic they got. And save them how? Do they make the playoffs now? What did he save them from?

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You said he's a #4 on any team but the Cubs.

Now he's on a team with 3 other All star pitchers.


Doesnt change the fact that he's not a #4


Unless you think Glavine was a#2 and Smoltz was a #3

Its not just Shark

He's still holding onto Cashner being better than Rizzo.


If the Cubs traded a corpse for Miguel Cabrera dolphin would say Corpses are more valuable than ever

He did have than good run with the Rockies. I want say he was in spring camp one year.

Nice piece of hitting by K.Wood there

I still want to know what the trade saved us from and what Dolphin is now predicting based on that "saving" trade for the Cubs future.

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OK, he would be #3 on the White Sox, a below .500 team with a bad pitching staff. You got me.

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He would be #3 on the Cubs at this point, too. Arrieta and Hendricks have been dominant.

Maybe 4th with "Johnny the" Wada dominating as well, which only further proves me to be correct. Thanks BC!

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I'm with you. Shark being an ACE is a joke. He's the Justin Beiber of MLB pitchers.

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So you're saying the Cubs traded a #4 pitcher for a top ten prospect in baseball and LF excelling in A+ who will be a top 100 next year.

Shit, I hope they can trade Arrieta. He might yield the whole Twins farm system.

Technically, he would probably be a #2 on the Sox to split up the two lefties (Sale & Quintana)

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No one said he's an Ace. Dolphin said he's a #4 which is ridiculous.

Saying he's a 4 indicates there are 90 starters better than him. You believe that?

He's a #3 or #2 on every team except the A's


Name the teams with 3 starters better than him

Tigers
Dodgers
Giants
Nationals
maybe others

I'd say he's a #3.

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Fair enough. Id think if you averged it out it would be 2.something

I'd give him a #3 for April through June. July on he is usually a #4 or #5.

Depends on the team. #3 on a World Series contender.

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He's 56th among starting pitchers in WAR

He'll probably finish in the top 50 which would make him a 2-3 on most teams

A guy at 56 and trending downward will probably finish 50?

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You are assuming that the top 20-30 automatically qualify as #1 pitchers. I would say there are only a handful of clear #1 pitchers.

Just because you pitch the opener, does not mean you are actually a #1 pitcher. You are just the best of the shit on your team.

I think many teams top pitcher is actually more of a #3. Someone that has good stuff, is effective, but cannot win a game by themselves most of the time.

For me, a #1 pitcher is someone you are surprised to score a run on. A #2 pitcher, you are surprised to score more than a couple runs on. #3 pitchers will give up 3-4 runs a game, but will do so over 7 innings. 4's and 5's are innings eaters, who you hope keep it close enough to outscore your opponent.