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What is worse, I don't know if the true story of everything will ever be told and that is sad.

Certainly not. Even if the cop tells the truth, we dont have the other perspective

There are witnesses but not sure we will get it from them either.


I think he meant the kid didn't get his day in court, just in a box.

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What is worse, I don't know if the true story of everything will ever be told and that is sad.

Certainly not. Even if the cop tells the truth, we dont have the other perspective

There are witnesses but not sure we will get it from them either.


I think he meant the kid didn't get his day in court, just in a box.

I know, just stating the other part of it also.

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there is so much disinformation out there it is amazing. the cop has a broken eye socket, then he doesn't. Brown was shot in the back. Then he wasn't. Now he was shot running away. I don't know how anyone can believe one single thing that anyone says.



That is why I decided to take a month off from this. This morning I read the prosecutor said the charges if any will not come out of grand jury before October. Sounds like they need more time to sort all this shit so I will take time as well.

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Yeah I have decided to do the same. Any information that doesn't involve the kid possessing a deadly weapon makes it unjustifiable. As long there isn't a story that has the kid in possession of a weapon it would be difficult to ascertain how the cop is not at least charged with manslaughter.

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I disagree with all of you. I will continue to make wild speculations and point fingers throughout the entire investigation.

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I heard 9 members of the grand jury are white and 3 are black. Darren Wilson has given statements in front of this grand jury before and unlike 99.9% of people he will be allowed to speak before them.

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I heard 9 members of the grand jury are white and 3 are black. Darren Wilson has given statements in front of this grand jury before and unlike 99.9% of people he will be allowed to speak before them.



I have read you write this a couple times. I am ignorant on this point. Is it rare for a person to defend themselves at all by appearance or affidavit at a grand jury?

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I heard 9 members of the grand jury are white and 3 are black. Darren Wilson has given statements in front of this grand jury before and unlike 99.9% of people he will be allowed to speak before them.



I have read you write this a couple times. I am ignorant on this point. Is it rare for a person to defend themselves at all by appearance or affidavit at a grand jury?


Yes. They aren't required to prove anything they say. You and I wouldn't be encouraged to speak and considering he has likely sat in front of this grand jury more than once it could possibly influence the jury.

Edit: His presence may scare witnesses or stop some from speaking before the grand jury too.

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Normally, a grand jury only hears the prosecutions evidence and not the defense. They are only there to determine if enough evidence is available for charges to be filed.

By the prosecution allowing the possible defendant to testify at the Grand Jury, they are basically indicating that they do not want to bring charges at all.

By appearance, allowing the officer to testify at the grand jury is tantamount to the dead youth being the actual defendant in this case.


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I heard 9 members of the grand jury are white and 3 are black. Darren Wilson has given statements in front of this grand jury before and unlike 99.9% of people he will be allowed to speak before them.



I have read you write this a couple times. I am ignorant on this point. Is it rare for a person to defend themselves at all by appearance or affidavit at a grand jury?


Yes. They aren't required to prove anything they say. You and I wouldn't be encouraged to speak and considering he has likely sat in front of this grand jury more than once it could possibly influence the jury.

Edit: His presence may scare witnesses or stop some from speaking before the grand jury too.


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Normally, a grand jury only hears the prosecutions evidence and not the defense. They are only there to determine if enough evidence is available for charges to be filed.

By the prosecution allowing the possible defendant to testify at the Grand Jury, they are basically indicating that they do not want to bring charges at all.

By appearance, allowing the officer to testify at the grand jury is tantamount to the dead youth being the actual defendant in this case.


I think it's a bad idea that he testifies before the Grand jury. If there is anything he says before the Grand Jury that might aid in his prosecution it can be used against him later in a trial. He should keep his mouth shut for now and wait to see IF he is indicted. Ultimately, I think he will not be convicted, but he may be indicted. By the way, their department does not have tasers, for those who keep saying he should have used one instead of his gun.

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ONLY 6 people arrested were from Ferguson. J Edgar Hoover would be proud.

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Suspended St. Louis Police Officer: "I'm Into Diversity, I Kill Everybody"

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“I personally believe in Jesus Christ as my lord and savior, but I’m also a killer,” said officer Dan Page, a 35-year veteran, in the video. “I’ve killed a lot. And if I need to, I’ll kill a whole bunch more. If you don’t want to get killed, don’t show up in front of me. I have no problems with it. God did not raise me to be a coward." Page added, “I’m into diversity — I kill everybody. I don’t care."

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The comments, which were made before members of the Christian organization, the Oath Keepers, also included his story of going to Kenya in search of "undocumented president," Barack Obama. “I flew to Africa, right there, and I went to our undocumented president’s home,” Page said, holding a picture of him in Kenya. “He was born in Kenya.”
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I don't hate cops. I definitely dislike them in general.


Sorry. I should have used the word antipathy intead of hate. Sure there are some asshole cops, just like every profession. But this is about the shittiest job on earth. Thus far in 2014, 34 police officers have been murdered in the line of duty. These guys deal with absolute evil so I don't have to. I think I'm going to go outside and find a cop to hug. Course I'll ask him if its OK first.



You are correct. A Police officer is killed in the line of duty every 52 hours and has a life expectancy of 55 years old, they deserve a lot more credit and empathy than criticism. Most Officers are honest and good people.

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I don't hate cops. I definitely dislike them in general.


Sorry. I should have used the word antipathy intead of hate. Sure there are some asshole cops, just like every profession. But this is about the shittiest job on earth. Thus far in 2014, 34 police officers have been murdered in the line of duty. These guys deal with absolute evil so I don't have to. I think I'm going to go outside and find a cop to hug. Course I'll ask him if its OK first.



You are correct. A Police officer is killed in the line of duty every 52 hours and has a life expectancy of 55 years old, they deserve a lot more credit and empathy than criticism. Most Officers are honest and good people.


And it's because of the behavior of former cops like you that the general population has no empathy or trust for cops.

Next time you want to complain, point the thumb and not the finger.

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i have a lot more empathy for firemen than cops. especially ones that whine about everything in their job. you chose to be a police officer, you weren't drafted. if you didn't want to deal with all of the bullshit, then why waste the academy's time and yours to get a badge.


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http://www.thewire.com/national/2014/08/suspended-st-louis-police-officer-im-into-diversity-i-kill-everybody/379026/

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“I personally believe in Jesus Christ as my lord and savior, but I’m also a killer,” said officer Dan Page, a 35-year veteran, in the video. “I’ve killed a lot. And if I need to, I’ll kill a whole bunch more. If you don’t want to get killed, don’t show up in front of me. I have no problems with it. God did not raise me to be a coward." Page added, “I’m into diversity — I kill everybody. I don’t care."

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The comments, which were made before members of the Christian organization, the Oath Keepers, also included his story of going to Kenya in search of "undocumented president," Barack Obama. “I flew to Africa, right there, and I went to our undocumented president’s home,” Page said, holding a picture of him in Kenya. “He was born in Kenya.”
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I love this guy. We should hear more from him.

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In just a few days, supporters of Darren Wilson have raised over 300,000 dollars to aid the Police Officer who shot the criminal punk in Ferguson, Missouri. The money will aid the officer and his family as it is assumed that public pressure may lead to an indictment to placate the looting vandals there. The amount raised is over 50% more than that raised for the family of the thug who was shot while attempting to advance on Mr. Wilson to assault him a 2nd time.

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In just a few days, supporters of Darren Wilson have raised over 300,000 dollars to aid the Police Officer who shot the criminal punk in Ferguson, Missouri. The money will aid the officer and his family as it is assumed that public pressure may lead to an indictment to placate the looting vandals there. The amount raised is over 50% more than that raised for the family of the thug who was shot while attempting to advance on Mr. Wilson to assault him a 2nd time.

And you have those facts of the case from where Steve?


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In just a few days, supporters of Darren Wilson have raised over 300,000 dollars to aid the Police Officer who shot the criminal punk in Ferguson, Missouri. The money will aid the officer and his family as it is assumed that public pressure may lead to an indictment to placate the looting vandals there. The amount raised is over 50% more than that raised for the family of the thug who was shot while attempting to advance on Mr. Wilson to assault him a 2nd time.

I read somewhere that Brown's last words to Wilson were; "Now go away or I will assault you a second time".

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MOST are, still plenty of bad and many more dicks.

To refresh my memory, don't they have video of MB assaulting the shop owner after he stold some crap and the guy called 911? Not saying he should have been shot, but the obits make it sound like he was inspiration to many?

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