JORR can't see Theo's plan because he's blinded by Hahn's vision.

I'm curious as to how that is factored, thanks for the information.

The Cubs would probably still have a top 6 or 7 system even if you took out 2 or 3 guys.

With all of these prospects coming up, the Cubs may need a veteran mentor around to help them out. I'm smelling a Manny call-up in September.

He is being kind not to mention the low .200s averages of the MLB level prospects

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I'm not expecting #2. I'd be hoping for middle of the pack. Sustained excellence and all that.

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that would seriously make me ill.

I hope you're wrong.

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There is an opening on the 40-man roster. Filling it with Manny for September isn't a big deal because he will just be jettisoned in the offseason. Plus, Olt and Vitters are both done for the year, most likely, with injuries, so they could be moved the 60-day DL to make room for Manny, as well.

What happened to Olt?

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Hammy. Iowa's season is almost over. They could call him up, though, for September.

Going to be a crowded dugout in Chicago in September.

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I found this somewhere, lots of franchises are having top-prospect anxiety..

The 2013 BA top 100 is riddled with injured guys and bad play right now.

1 Jurickson Profar ss/2b, Rangers INJURED, LOST SEASON
2 Dylan Bundy rhp, Orioles INJURED, TOMMY JOHN
3 Oscar Taveras of, Cardinals 220 BA
4 Wil Myers of/3b, Rays INJURED, LOST SEASON
5 Jose Fernandez rhp, Marlins INJURED, TOMMY JOHN
6 Shelby Miller rhp, Cardinals TERRIBLE
7 Gerrit Cole rhp, Pirates INJURED, BUT NOW BACK
8 Xander Bogaerts ss, Red Sox TERRIBLE
9 Miguel Sano 3b, Twins INJURED, TOMMY JOHN
10 Byron Buxton of, Twins INJURED, LOST SEASON
11 Zack Wheeler rhp, Mets PITCHING WELL IN THE MAJORS
12 Tyler Skaggs lhp, Diamondbacks INJURED, TOMMY JOHN
13 Carlos Correa ss, Astros INJURED, LOST SEASON
14 Trevor Bauer rhp, Indians SEEMINGLY BUSTED, NOW BACK AND PITCHING OKAY
15 Christian Yelich of, Marlins HIT
16 Javier Baez ss, Cubs 45% K RATE
17 Mike Zunino c, Mariners TERRIBLE, CAN’T HIT
18 Taijuan Walker rhp, Mariners INJURED
19 Jameson Taillon rhp, Pirates INJURED, TOMMY JOHN
20 Billy Hamilton of/ss, Reds HIT
21 Nick Castellanos 3b/of, Tigers REPLACEMENT LEVEL IN 500 PAs
22 Mike Olt 3b/1b, Rangers BUST?
23 Travis d’Arnaud c, Mets INJURED, CONCUSSION, LIKELY CAN’T CATCH ANYMORE
24 Kyle Zimmer rhp, Royals INJURED, LOST SEASON
25 Archie Bradley rhp, Diamondbacks TERRIBLE IN AA, WALKED 5 IN 0.1 INNINGS YESTERDAY

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Damn thats a lot of ouch on that list.

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A little perspective on the volatility of even elite prospects.


Alex Gordon was leading the Majors in WAR (now 2nd), after years of being viewed as a near-bust. 4 years of very average play, now I think every GM in baseball would take him

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Great point that's why I'm not giving up on Olt. Especially with the elite power numbers

Yeah but how long do you give a guy to figure it out? He may never do it . I'd say what Gordon is doing is a rarity 4 years in. Could you let Olt hit .190 for 3 years in the majors? Most managers would be run out town playing a guy with those numbers for 1 year let alone 2 or 3

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I'd suggest a corner outfielder with 20 homer power leading the league in WAR might be an indictment of WAR.

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We'll yeah they don't all turn out that good but I'm not sure how rare it is that guys become decent


Crede took a while didn't he?
Derek Lee was pretty bad in early years

I'm honestly not sure how rare it is. If they're 25 or under its a gamble to write them off imo

As usual, dWar is to blame

How bout a guy coming up at third and winning multiple GGs in the OF ? Pretty rare

As mentioned, it's the Defensive components that are messed up. I don't have any hard specific basis for claiming this, but also the positional adjustments for positions like LF and 2B put out a lot of noise. I remember that year Zobrist had, and remember it as very good, but I never thought of him as more than a good, not-great player. I'm not sure even a generationally-great defensive left fielder or second baseman can really impact a real club as signifigantly as say, upgrading an average catcher for a good one, or a decent CF with another guy with elite range. WAR is just another reference point to me, not the definitive measure.

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Alcantara - Bad
Bryant - HoF
Baez - looking better AAA round 2....we'll see?
Almora - bad
Soler - ehhhhhh...not good
Schwarber - HoF

Yeah, but the fifth guy wasn't even good enough to be mentioned.

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He was 2-2, at least.

Carl Edwards was the fifth ranked prospect.

Javier Baez does not qualify as a "prospect" for 2015 as he no longer was a rookie.

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Either way, he was 2-2. Just had a bad error. Not sure if they ruled that one in the 9th an E or not, but would have been a tough play.

one of those will not be with the team next year

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Why is that?

It was a lazy throw, no doubt, and obviously Baez's error, but there's some blame on the other end too, as it was really a pretty routine bounce for a guy who is heralded as such a superlative defender at first.

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glut of position players and a dearth of pitching

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