Explain to me how the Sox offense not putting up 10 runs in the 1st is Jose Quintana's fault.

Geez Eaton. Yikes

96 pitchers in all of MLB have pitched enough at this point to qualify for the leader boards in IP

Of those 96 going into tonight Quintana ranked 70th in run support at 3.70. That would mean 73% of the time the opposing pitcher got better run support than Jose.

Jose ranks 36th in WAR at 2.8
He is also 36th in ERA
IN WINS he is tied for 87th
His WHIP is 57th

With better run support he would easily have more WINS

Get with Brian Kenny #KillTheWin

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He pitches for the 12th best offense in baseball. Pretty much in the middle. Are you suggesting he's just a really unlucky guy? because if that's the case, I don't want him on my team. The fact is, if you look at Quintana's ERA it should be obvious to you that the pitchers he faces aren't getting much "run support" either, right? Why is it so fashionable to ignore game context as if it's absolutely meaningless?

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The 12th best offense averages 4.22 Runs per game.
When Jose pitches he gets 3.70 runs

So YES he has been unlucky.

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But he was "unlucky" last year too, right? It's probably not good to have a guy so unlucky if you really believe that.

Tonight he got plenty of "run support", no? You must have been absolutely shocked when that 12th ranked offense put him in the lead and then he came back out and gave it right back up. I wasn't. That's who he is.

Look, I'm not saying he's a terrible pitcher. He just isn't a guy you use as a major building block for your rotation. if he's your second best guy, you've got problems. If you have a real high-powered offense, maybe you can live with him as your third best guy. Personally, I like him on the back end of a rotation.

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He's the #2 pitcher on almost any staff in baseball.

I mean, the White Sox have 3 big league arms in their entire organization and a few teenagers who might be something someday--that's it. If you want to make a point about the Sox pitching problems make it there, but don't just reach for the top shelf thinking you can convince anyone Jose Quintana is a back end starter. He's not. He does a good a job keeping the ball on the ground and striking enough guys out to prevent the woeful Sox defense from hurting more than it already does. He doesn't walk people, he doesn't give up the HR and he's very economical with his pitches.

You combine all that and you've got a top 20 starter in baseball. He's a very well rounded 25 year old lefty.

That's utterly ridiculous.

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Who would ya guys take goin forward QUINTANA or Porcello ?

Deaza that bum should have had that foul ball...he pulled up n dogged it ...next pitch ...2 run blast

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Coming from the guy who blames Quintana for not getting enough run support.

With the Indians now leading in the 10th inning 8-6, it appears likely the Sux will lose their 7th consecutive ballgame....

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Go Cubs!!!!

Do you really think the game is played in parts like that? That the events in the game are unrelated? He pitches the games he's in. He isn't a programmed robot who is designed to allow 3.25 runs every nine innings. If he were, the Sox would have won that game last night.

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Just hit one Sunday

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

I welcome the loss as a vehicle to winning in the future.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Just awful this month. No excuse to play this poorly.

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That's tellin' 'em

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Yeah he was unlucky he allowed the Indians to tie it up after the Sox gave him the lead. I don't know why the concept of a guy is what he is is that hard to understand. With more run support, hell Quintana might even be 10-10 right now.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Scientists are loathe to acknowledge the existence of that which they cannot measure. Even the pseudo-scientists who spend their time analyzing baseball statistics.

Obviously, there is a competitive element to any contest. It's currently popular to ignore that fact and act like each player is simply going out with complete and utter focus on his own task with blinders on and no recognition of anything that is occurring around him.

I would compare it to a horse who beats shitty horses at a mile by running it in 1:33.5 but then loses to better horses by running 1:34.8. Why didn't he just run his 1:33.5 and win the second race? Because it doesn't work that way.

It's like you shot 71 on a course where Tiger Woods once shot 73 and saying you beat Tiger Woods.

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If Felix Hernandez was better than Ervin Santana in 2010 why didn't he win more games?

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First, a single season is a small sample. Do you believe that Hernandez will have a lower career winning percentage than Santana, regardless of what teams they may play on?

Second, that Seattle team had an historically weak offense, often averaging more than two runs less than the opposing offense. That's certainly not a common circumstance. Yet in spite of that fact, Hernandez was still capable of winning more than half his decisions.

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So we can't just look at one statistic to tell us how good a player is, and we have to factor in the team that a player plays on to get a sense of how good they are?

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I'll bet Jose Quintana uses the knee defenders when he flies.

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The team a guy plays on has nothing to do with how good he is.

Are you really confused that Santana is better than Hernandez? Of course not. You're just trying to argue. It's a dumb argument. Almost as dumb as believing Jose Quintana is one of the best 20 pitchers in the game.

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You don't really believe this load of crap, do you? Do you really think Jon Garland wins 18 games in 2005 and 2006 if he was pitching for the Royals or Pirates?

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I have no idea. But I think you're probably underestimating Garland, just from the tone of your post. He was a damn good pitcher and if Jose Quintana ever has his career, the Sox will be very happy.

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This isn't about my estimation of Garland or how he compares to Quintana.

I asked a simple question that deserved a simple answer and you side stepped it.

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I didn't sidestep anything. I said I have no idea what would have happened if he had pitched for a different team.

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Garland is a prime example of why I dont look @ wins... 18-7 with 4.51 era..

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If we're going to play Pitcher A/Pitcher B, let's try this:

Pitcher A: 1897 IP, 3.76 ERA, 3.61 FIP, 1.26 WHIP, .420 winning pct.

Pitcher B: 1889 IP, 3.85 ERA, 3.80 FIP, 1.30 WHIP, .593 winning pct.

They played on the same team- a pretty good one- in their primes. I assume most of you think Pitcher A was better.

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Is a 4.51 ERA in 2006 the same as a 4.51 ERA in 2014? I can see why you're so confused. In 2006 a 4.51 ERA was better than average in the American League.

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