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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 11:26 am 
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I forgot to ridicule how stupid a thought this was.

Avi is batting .235/.298/.435.

Like really really really stupid.
Its really really really stupid to put much stock into those numbers, as he has played 23 games this year with 85 at bats.

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Kirkwood wrote:
I forgot to ridicule how stupid a thought this was.

Avi is batting .235/.298/.435.

Like really really really stupid.
Its really really really stupid to put any stock into those numbers, as he has played 23 games this year with 85 at bats.

Those numbers are pretty decent as a .733 is slightly above average. But America is holding off on spending in free agency to give Avi an extension after those 85 at-bats :lol:

You should talk to your guy. He's been going obessively beserk with another team's prospects.


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I'm very open to the idea that Avisail Garcia flops. He's very Gordon Beckham-y at the plate.

That said, leaving a little money on the side in case he figures it out is smart. The Cubs should he doing the same for all their prospects, even if I'm convinced all but 2 or 3 of them are colossal busts.


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JR doesn't know how to retain earnings for capex in future years. if there's money left over at the end of the year, it goes to dividends.

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America is an interesting poster

Probably just an uninformed Cube lifer.

On t'a bercé trop près du mur?

We cherished you too close to the wall?

What? Maybe you should stick to english.
Unless this is another well thought out CSFMB bit, then by all means... ah whatever.

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Baez is gonna strike out 200 times this year. I know if he were "my" prospect, I'd be having some major doubts right about now.

Im usually on the "strikeouts arent as bad as many make them out to be argument" but at this point, Im worried.

He could end up being Jose Hernandez. Right now that seems like a good bet.


He's got this long ass swing and he's vulnerable to breaking stuff outside. I assume in the earlier levels he adjusted to where the ball starts and where it ends up (more movement each level) so Im holding onto hope that he can do that.


But yeah, there is some doubt right now. I still think he'll be a major league starter at least.


I don't understand people worried about Baez. He's a kid who should probably still be in the minors. He has plenty of time to improve. This isn't the player he will be forever.


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Darkside wrote:
America wrote:
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rogers park bryan wrote:
America is an interesting poster

Probably just an uninformed Cube lifer.

On t'a bercé trop près du mur?

We cherished you too close to the wall?

What? Maybe you should stick to english.
Unless this is another well thought out CSFMB bit, then by all means... ah whatever.


It's a standard French insult. I'm not sure of the exact translation but it's like asking you if you were dropped on your head as a child. I think it's like "were you rocked too close to the wall?" I only know because my wife is a fluent French speaker and she's said it to me before. :lol:

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I'm having flashbacks to Quebec.

The worst!

A hasidic jew would feel more comfortable in Tehran than any english speaker would east of Quebec City.

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I'm having flashbacks to Quebec.

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People have said Quebec is nice to visit?

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pittmike wrote:
immessedup17 wrote:
I'm having flashbacks to Quebec.

The worst!



People have said Quebec is nice to visit?

It is very scenic. Old Quebec is also a nice neighborhood for dining.

But the feeling of being an English speaker in Quebec is probably what illegal Mexican immigrants feel like in the U.S. Not only do you not understand anything...but people go out of their way to make sure you know you don't belong and that they don't want you there. Unless you're at a hotel or a restaurant aimed at tourists...they'd rather you GTFO.

At Tim Hortons...while trying to order with bad french and a lot of pointing...a woman literally repeated "Francais?" a few times...then walked away. A Charlevoix location.

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immessedup17 wrote:
pittmike wrote:
immessedup17 wrote:
I'm having flashbacks to Quebec.

The worst!



People have said Quebec is nice to visit?

It is very scenic. Old Quebec is also a nice neighborhood for dining.

But the feeling of being an English speaker in Quebec is probably what illegal Mexican immigrants feel like in the U.S. Not only do you not understand anything...but people go out of their way to make sure you know you don't belong and that they don't want you there. Unless you're at a hotel or a restaurant aimed at tourists...they'd rather you GTFO.

At Tim Hortons...while trying to order with bad french and a lot of pointing...a woman literally repeated "Francais?" a few times...then walked away. A Charlevoix location.


My wife says Quebecois isn't really French. She described it as being French to the same degree that what they speak on Swamp People is English. Also they use a lot of English-style sentence structure with regard to subjects and predicates.

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My wife says Quebecois isn't really French. She described it as being French to the same degree that what they speak on Swamp People is English. Also they use a lot of English-style sentence structure with regard to subjects and predicates.

Maybe? I don't know it well enough to even judge that. But one of my colleagues that lives in Canada speaks French (or at least the Canadian version of French), so when he was with us communication was okay. He somewhat validated our presence.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
My wife says Quebecois isn't really French. She described it as being French to the same degree that what they speak on Swamp People is English. Also they use a lot of English-style sentence structure with regard to subjects and predicates.

Maybe? I don't know it well enough to even judge that. But one of my colleagues that lives in Canada speaks French (or at least the Canadian version of French), so when he was with us communication was okay. He somewhat validated our presence.

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Bucky Chris wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
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Baez is gonna strike out 200 times this year. I know if he were "my" prospect, I'd be having some major doubts right about now.

Im usually on the "strikeouts arent as bad as many make them out to be argument" but at this point, Im worried.

He could end up being Jose Hernandez. Right now that seems like a good bet.


He's got this long ass swing and he's vulnerable to breaking stuff outside. I assume in the earlier levels he adjusted to where the ball starts and where it ends up (more movement each level) so Im holding onto hope that he can do that.


But yeah, there is some doubt right now. I still think he'll be a major league starter at least.


I don't understand people worried about Baez. He's a kid who should probably still be in the minors. He has plenty of time to improve. This isn't the player he will be forever.

I know he's young but he was in the minors for 4 years.

I dont think he'll be like this forever but its still not good.


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I don't understand people worried about Baez. He's a kid who should probably still be in the minors. He has plenty of time to improve. This isn't the player he will be forever.


Isn't one of the core tenets of "Moneyball" that players don't improve when it comes to strikezone recognition?

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Bucky Chris wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Hatchetman wrote:
Baez is gonna strike out 200 times this year. I know if he were "my" prospect, I'd be having some major doubts right about now.

Im usually on the "strikeouts arent as bad as many make them out to be argument" but at this point, Im worried.

He could end up being Jose Hernandez. Right now that seems like a good bet.


He's got this long ass swing and he's vulnerable to breaking stuff outside. I assume in the earlier levels he adjusted to where the ball starts and where it ends up (more movement each level) so Im holding onto hope that he can do that.


But yeah, there is some doubt right now. I still think he'll be a major league starter at least.


I don't understand people worried about Baez. He's a kid who should probably still be in the minors. He has plenty of time to improve. This isn't the player he will be forever.

I know he's young but he was in the minors for 4 years.

I dont think he'll be like this forever but its still not good.



He has always started very, very poorly against minor league pitching talent...now he has come up to the major leagues, after 4 years, and shows no signs of life.

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Kirkwood starting to melt on Baez.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I don't understand people worried about Baez. He's a kid who should probably still be in the minors. He has plenty of time to improve. This isn't the player he will be forever.


Isn't one of the core tenets of "Moneyball" that players don't improve when it comes to strikezone recognition?
What would worry me about Baez is that with how crazy his swing is that he can't really change as a hitter without being completely different. Maybe a normal swinging Baez is going to hit for average but I certainly wouldn't expect him to hit 40 home runs without swinging like the ball slept with his wife.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I don't understand people worried about Baez. He's a kid who should probably still be in the minors. He has plenty of time to improve. This isn't the player he will be forever.


Isn't one of the core tenets of "Moneyball" that players don't improve when it comes to strikezone recognition?
What would worry me about Baez is that with how crazy his swing is that he can't really change as a hitter without being completely different. Maybe a normal swinging Baez is going to hit for average but I certainly wouldn't expect him to hit 40 home runs without swinging like the ball slept with his wife.


Well, I suspect they will try something with him like what has worked for Rizzo, i.e. a distinct two-strike approach. Whether he can do anything with it is another matter.

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I think its like this.

At each level, Baez has to adjust where he sees the ball vs where it might end up. Each level its more pronounced.

Essentially to be successful he's going to have to learn to lay off pitches that he's swinging at now. He's still adjusting to the insane breaking stuff of MLB pitchers so we'll see


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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I don't understand people worried about Baez. He's a kid who should probably still be in the minors. He has plenty of time to improve. This isn't the player he will be forever.


Isn't one of the core tenets of "Moneyball" that players don't improve when it comes to strikezone recognition?
What would worry me about Baez is that with how crazy his swing is that he can't really change as a hitter without being completely different. Maybe a normal swinging Baez is going to hit for average but I certainly wouldn't expect him to hit 40 home runs without swinging like the ball slept with his wife.


Well, I suspect they will try something with him like what has worked for Rizzo, i.e. a distinct two-strike approach. Whether he can do anything with it is another matter.

What do you think they did with Rizzo?

He always had a good eye and took pitches so it's a bit of a different animal anyway.


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What do you think they did with Rizzo?

He always had a good eye and took pitches so it's a bit of a different animal anyway.


When Rizzo first came up he had a single approach regardless of count or situation. If you watch him now, when he gets into a two-strike count he chokes up a bit and looks to put the ball in play rather than just cutting loose the way he does in other counts. It's particularly helped him vs. lefthanders.

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