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who when their here the Redskins in sports really thinks anything negative?

Looking at the W/L records over the past 20+ seasons, probably fans of the Redskins.

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who when their here the Redskins in sports really thinks anything negative?

Looking at the W/L records over the past 20+ seasons, probably fans of the Redskins.


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Meh I am on board with the Redskin thing although I think it is a bit much. I think the Bullets was less offensive though. Redskins does have a negative bias in a more politically correct society. Bernstein should not be the herald for it though. I remember growing up how angry my Father was about the name change of Decatur Staleys. Not a happy camper that one. I kid my father was born in 1924. He didn't care. Honestly though I do get the name change, the history on the redskins is weak too. That being said I think the chief shouldn't have been banned. Redskins is just unfortunately distasteful like coloreds is. I have family out there that worked for the skins the thing is just kind of a weak arguing point though. Change it to something classy like the wizards, unless Harry potter fans get enraged.


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I feel that if you're in the habit of arguing that language is constantly evolving, citing the "reclamation" of the n-word, then you also have to concede that language has evolved to virtually defang "Redskin" as a racial slur and leaving it only as a vestigial name for a certain football team.


I'm still trying to figure out the double standard why white people can't use the n word, but black people can to themselves, when clearly neither should.


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I feel that if you're in the habit of arguing that language is constantly evolving, citing the "reclamation" of the n-word, then you also have to concede that language has evolved to virtually defang "Redskin" as a racial slur and leaving it only as a vestigial name for a certain football team.


That's a reasonable point. Especially since "the n-word" is still used as a slur and I've never heard anyone referred to as a "redskin" in anger or otherwise.



Last outspoken political guy for American Indians was who? Leonard Peltier? Not even sure if he counts he is more like Mumia with quite a question mark over his head. The American Indians got beat up a long time ago. There also is much less white guilt over that than all that happened with slavery in this day and age so it is really hard to equate. I hear what you are saying for sure though don't get me wrong. I never batted an eye over the name until maybe 2008?


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The NFL allows the rather de minimis Redskins name controversey to fester because it distracts from larger issues that threaten the existence of the league.


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Meh I am on board with the Redskin thing although I think it is a bit much. I think the Bullets was less offensive though. Redskins does have a negative bias in a more politically correct society. Bernstein should not be the herald for it though. I remember growing up how angry my Father was about the name change of Decatur Staleys. Not a happy camper that one. I kid my father was born in 1924. He didn't care. Honestly though I do get the name change, the history on the redskins is weak too. That being said I think the chief shouldn't have been banned. Redskins is just unfortunately distasteful like coloreds is. I have family out there that worked for the skins the thing is just kind of a weak arguing point though. Change it to something classy like the wizards, unless Harry potter fans get enraged.


You may have stumbled upon the solution: move Wizards over to the football team and bring back the Bullets. That it was changed out of respect to Yitzhak Rabin is hooey; it was more that the Washington Bullets had a cheap-ass identity that didn't move merchandise at a time when NBA teams were going balls-out with logos and color palettes and selling big with little kids. The Nets almost became the Swamp Dragons at the same time for the same reason.

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I feel that if you're in the habit of arguing that language is constantly evolving, citing the "reclamation" of the n-word, then you also have to concede that language has evolved to virtually defang "Redskin" as a racial slur and leaving it only as a vestigial name for a certain football team.


I'm still trying to figure out the double standard why white people can't use the n word, but black people can to themselves, when clearly neither should.


I could explain my thoughts on this if you want to listen but something tells me you don't. Either you are as pissed off as you seem or are doing a bit. If you would actually like to have a conversation I am open, but it won't be baited into goofball argument.


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I don't think it benefits anyone to use it, to be frank.

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Meh I am on board with the Redskin thing although I think it is a bit much. I think the Bullets was less offensive though. Redskins does have a negative bias in a more politically correct society. Bernstein should not be the herald for it though. I remember growing up how angry my Father was about the name change of Decatur Staleys. Not a happy camper that one. I kid my father was born in 1924. He didn't care. Honestly though I do get the name change, the history on the redskins is weak too. That being said I think the chief shouldn't have been banned. Redskins is just unfortunately distasteful like coloreds is. I have family out there that worked for the skins the thing is just kind of a weak arguing point though. Change it to something classy like the wizards, unless Harry potter fans get enraged.


You may have stumbled upon the solution: move Wizards over to the football team and bring back the Bullets. That it was changed out of respect to Yitzhak Rabin is hooey; it was more that the Washington Bullets had a cheap-ass identity that didn't move merchandise at a time when NBA teams were going balls-out with logos and color palettes and selling big with little kids. The Nets almost became the Swamp Dragons at the same time for the same reason.


You crack me up. Honestly.


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Dignified Rube wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
I feel that if you're in the habit of arguing that language is constantly evolving, citing the "reclamation" of the n-word, then you also have to concede that language has evolved to virtually defang "Redskin" as a racial slur and leaving it only as a vestigial name for a certain football team.


I'm still trying to figure out the double standard why white people can't use the n word, but black people can to themselves, when clearly neither should.

I don't know what thread it was in but if I did this is the part where I would copy and paste Regular Reader's thoughts on the topic a few weeks ago.


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to be frank.


Woah woah woah chief. that is one thing you do NOT want to be.

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I could explain my thoughts on this if you want to listen but something tells me you don't. Either you are as pissed off as you seem or are doing a bit. If you would actually like to have a conversation I am open, but it won't be baited into goofball argument.


Not pissed off at all. Actually, I enjoyed B&B today for their honesty. Should have more shows like today. Both of them were engaged, and Dan, in particular, was on his game, even though I hate to admit it. Perhaps they're taking our comments to heart.

Can't really get pissed off anyway about the false Redskins name controversy. It is absurd to me. I just laugh when Bernstein falls right into Ditka's argument that only crazed and ultra politically correct liberals want the name change. American Indians don't seem to care, and also importantly, REDSKINS FANS DON'T WANT IT. Any name change would just neuter the Redskins. They are allowed to be masculine, which might be the real issue for feminized liberals.


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Curious Hair wrote:
to be frank.


Woah woah woah chief. that is one thing you do NOT want to be.


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I tried listening to yesterday's show, but when Bernstein expressed concern/worry about Robbie Gould's pre-season performance, that was enough.


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I don't think it benefits anyone to use [the n-word], to be frank.


dude.... you clearly haven't watched the chris rock show, have you?

(@30sec in that, sorry they packed two together)

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I tried listening to yesterday's show, but when Bernstein expressed concern/worry about Robbie Gould's pre-season performance, that was enough.
He was right though. Even Gould had a bad camp. It doesn't mean he won't have a good season but Gould looked shaky out there.

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I tried listening to yesterday's show, but when Bernstein expressed concern/worry about Robbie Gould's pre-season performance, that was enough.
He was right though. Even Gould had a bad camp. It doesn't mean he won't have a good season but Gould looked shaky out there.


He wasn't good, but if Gould is a legitimate worry, I think that's a great example of these guys taking way too much from the pre-season games that they told to ignore.


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He wasn't good, but if Gould is a legitimate worry, I think that's a great example of these guys taking way too much from the pre-season games that they told to ignore.
His point was that the whole camp was bad, and Gould was an example of even a supposed rock solid strength having the same thing happen.

I think people need to give up this "overreaction to the preseason!" stuff. Fine. Let's look at how good they were last year instead, the age of many of the important players, and how this draft class doesn't look like it will produce many immediate results and then go from there. The concerns won't be much different.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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He wasn't good, but if Gould is a legitimate worry, I think that's a great example of these guys taking way too much from the pre-season games that they told to ignore.
His point was that the whole camp was bad, and Gould was an example of even a supposed rock solid strength having the same thing happen.

I think people need to give up this "overreaction to the preseason!" stuff. Fine. Let's look at how good they were last year instead, the age of many of the important players, and how this draft class doesn't look like it will produce many immediate results and then go from there. The concerns won't be much different.


If you had concerns about the Bears, you didn't need to watch one down of pre-season to question the depth on offense, the quality of the defense, and who would replace Devin Hester, etc.

When Boers has the Bears going 12-4, Bernstein says they are a Super Bowl contender, and the only thing that has occurred since these statements are meaningless pre-season games, I think it's difficult to draw any other conclusion other than these two greatly overreacted to games that they said don't matter.


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And they are right. Everyone is overreacting to the preseason. It's embarassing and in-town stupid. A team that prides itself on a great offense and knows that their defense is old isnt going balls out in the preseason. They are going to come out and blow the doors off the Bills.
People are not overreacting to the preseason. People overreacted to what happened in the offseason. There was no reason for it.

They are probably worse or equal in every facet from last year besides the defensive line and even that seems to rely on Allen being an upgrade over the previous old guy.


You are getting your talking points from Mulligan.

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BD wrote:
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BD wrote:
He wasn't good, but if Gould is a legitimate worry, I think that's a great example of these guys taking way too much from the pre-season games that they told to ignore.
His point was that the whole camp was bad, and Gould was an example of even a supposed rock solid strength having the same thing happen.

I think people need to give up this "overreaction to the preseason!" stuff. Fine. Let's look at how good they were last year instead, the age of many of the important players, and how this draft class doesn't look like it will produce many immediate results and then go from there. The concerns won't be much different.


If you had concerns about the Bears, you didn't need to watch one down of pre-season to question the depth on offense, the quality of the defense, and who would replace Devin Hester, etc.

When Boers has the Bears going 12-4, Bernstein says they are a Super Bowl contender, and the only thing that has occurred since these statements are meaningless pre-season games, I think it's difficult to draw any other conclusion other than these two greatly overreacted to games that they said don't matter.



Or they just have to talk about something to fill the time.


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BD wrote:
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He wasn't good, but if Gould is a legitimate worry, I think that's a great example of these guys taking way too much from the pre-season games that they told to ignore.
His point was that the whole camp was bad, and Gould was an example of even a supposed rock solid strength having the same thing happen.

I think people need to give up this "overreaction to the preseason!" stuff. Fine. Let's look at how good they were last year instead, the age of many of the important players, and how this draft class doesn't look like it will produce many immediate results and then go from there. The concerns won't be much different.


If you had concerns about the Bears, you didn't need to watch one down of pre-season to question the depth on offense, the quality of the defense, and who would replace Devin Hester, etc.

When Boers has the Bears going 12-4, Bernstein says they are a Super Bowl contender, and the only thing that has occurred since these statements are meaningless pre-season games, I think it's difficult to draw any other conclusion other than these two greatly overreacted to games that they said don't matter.



Or they just have to talk about something to fill the time.


Or they actually believe what they have been saying for the past few weeks.


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@Green Bay - Post bye, don't get clowned. Can Cutler (assuming he's not injured) be good against a team he struggles?


I think the answer is yes... wasn't he good in Week 17 last season? Think he had a 100+ rating.
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