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Can't believe the NFLPA didn't do more to get different pot testing. Although I suppose I can believe the rich old white men didn't want to budge on allowing the demon weed to damage the integrity of THE SHIELD.



yea I'm shocked that the NFL continues to give the death penalty for use of a substance that isn't even illegal anymore in several NFL cities.

I've decided to boycott the NFL until the draconian drug policies are changed. I'll still do fantasy, but won't watch any games.

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I'll still do fantasy, but won't watch any games.


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Can't believe the NFLPA didn't do more to get different pot testing. Although I suppose I can believe the rich old white men didn't want to budge on allowing the demon weed to damage the integrity of THE SHIELD.



yea I'm shocked that the NFL continues to give the death penalty for use of a substance that isn't even illegal anymore in several NFL cities.

I've decided to boycott the NFL until the draconian drug policies are changed. I'll still do fantasy, but won't watch any games.


It wasnt like this was Gordon's first offense. I dont agree with the decision in light of the Rice ruling but it isnt like he got caught smoking once and they kicked him out for a year.

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Can't believe the NFLPA didn't do more to get different pot testing. Although I suppose I can believe the rich old white men didn't want to budge on allowing the demon weed to damage the integrity of THE SHIELD.



yea I'm shocked that the NFL continues to give the death penalty for use of a substance that isn't even illegal anymore in several NFL cities.

I've decided to boycott the NFL until the draconian drug policies are changed. I'll still do fantasy, but won't watch any games.


It wasnt like this was Gordon's first offense. I dont agree with the decision in light of the Rice ruling but it isnt like he got caught smoking once and they kicked him out for a year.

Exactly, this dude has a pretty good rap sheet.

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It wasnt like this was Gordon's first offense. I dont agree with the decision in light of the Rice ruling but it isnt like he got caught smoking once and they kicked him out for a year.
I think no matter what that a year suspension for testing positive for marijuana is over the top.

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It wasnt like this was Gordon's first offense. I dont agree with the decision in light of the Rice ruling but it isnt like he got caught smoking once and they kicked him out for a year.
I think no matter what that a year suspension for testing positive for marijuana is over the top.

I may be wrong (but I doubt it), there was a lot more than just that he was suspended for.

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My only real issue is how long it took combined with the precise timing of the ruling coming out ... maximum Browns buttfucking ... not that I give a shit about Cleveland, but shitty is shitty no matter who it happens to.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
It wasnt like this was Gordon's first offense. I dont agree with the decision in light of the Rice ruling but it isnt like he got caught smoking once and they kicked him out for a year.
I think no matter what that a year suspension for testing positive for marijuana is over the top.


At what point would it not be over the top? One game suspension per offense? So 16th strike and you're out... They have rules in place and he chose to ignore them multiple times. At some point they need to make a stand.

If we want to debate whether it should even be tested for, then I can get on board with that. I'm not debating marijuana. I think it should be legal in the US.

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I may be wrong (but I doubt it), there was a lot more than just that he was suspended for.
He was a multi-time offender of the drug system but I just hate that anyone is getting his career completely derailed because of recreational drugs. If it was even a 4 or 6 game suspension then I'd be fine with it. To basically put him out of football for 1.5 years isn't fair for cough syrup and marijuana.

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At what point would it not be over the top? One game suspension per offense? So 16th strike and you're out... They have rules in place and he chose to ignore them multiple times. At some point they need to make a stand.
I'd cap all non-violent offenses at 8 games.

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Why even have this testing in a sport where contracts are not guaranteed? If a player is using a drug that effect's his on-field performance, then he will just end up getting cut.

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I would rather see the league go after guys like Brandon Merriweather who will be serving his SIXTH suspension for illegal hits, rather than a guy who smokes pot.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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At what point would it not be over the top? One game suspension per offense? So 16th strike and you're out... They have rules in place and he chose to ignore them multiple times. At some point they need to make a stand.
I'd cap all non-violent offenses at 8 games.


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Wasn't he arrested for DUI after the suspension was announced originally? And his suspension is based upon the collective bargaining agreement.

Whatever he needs to "get" he doesn't seem to be getting. The Browns knew there was a possibility of a significant suspension. Trotting him out in pre season was an odd choice.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I may be wrong (but I doubt it), there was a lot more than just that he was suspended for.
He was a multi-time offender of the drug system but I just hate that anyone is getting his career completely derailed because of recreational drugs. If it was even a 4 or 6 game suspension then I'd be fine with it. To basically put him out of football for 1.5 years isn't fair for cough syrup and marijuana.

I just think that his recent run ins with the law probably had some effect on this also.

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Wasn't he arrested for DUI after the suspension was announced originally? And his suspension is based upon the collective bargaining agreement.

Whatever he needs to "get" he doesn't seem to be getting. The Browns knew there was a possibility of a significant suspension. Trotting him out in pre season was an odd choice.
I'd still cap it at 8 games. I'm incredibly uncomfortable putting a guy out of competitive football for 1.5+ years because he used a recreational drug.

A DUI is currently a 1 game suspension in the NFL. That should tell you something. He is getting a year for cough syrup and then marijuana. The DUI is worth 1 game.

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Wasn't he arrested for DUI after the suspension was announced originally? And his suspension is based upon the collective bargaining agreement.

Whatever he needs to "get" he doesn't seem to be getting. The Browns knew there was a possibility of a significant suspension. Trotting him out in pre season was an odd choice.
I'd still cap it at 8 games. I'm incredibly uncomfortable putting a guy out of competitive football for 1.5+ years because he used a recreational drug.

A DUI is currently a 1 game suspension in the NFL. That should tell you something. He is getting a year for cough syrup and then marijuana. The DUI is worth 1 game.

What kind of suspension should there be for caffeine use?

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What kind of suspension should there be for caffeine use?
They get kicked in the back by JORR.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Wasn't he arrested for DUI after the suspension was announced originally? And his suspension is based upon the collective bargaining agreement.

Whatever he needs to "get" he doesn't seem to be getting. The Browns knew there was a possibility of a significant suspension. Trotting him out in pre season was an odd choice.
I'd still cap it at 8 games. I'm incredibly uncomfortable putting a guy out of competitive football for 1.5+ years because he used a recreational drug.

A DUI is currently a 1 game suspension in the NFL. That should tell you something. He is getting a year for cough syrup and then marijuana. The DUI is worth 1 game.


Then the players association needs to renegotiate this in the next CBA.

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Then the players association needs to renegotiate this in the next CBA.
The policy is changed without a new CBA a lot. For instance, DUI is now a one game suspension.

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A DUI is currently a 1 game suspension in the NFL. That should tell you something. He is getting a year for cough syrup and then marijuana. The DUI is worth 1 game.

I don't think the NFL has even ruled on the DUI. He can "come back" and they can probably hit him with another year for the DUI because he has a history. All that doesn't even factor in that the NFL testing limit for pot is over 3x more stringent than most any other employer. He would have passed any military drug test, so he could go die for his country if need be, but not play football. His result could have been 9x worse and he could have passed a WADA drug test. Nice work NFL.


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Typical NFL bullshit



This is just one of the many reasons baseball is better


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:cheers: :cheers:
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Don Tiny wrote:
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Typical NFL bullshit



This is just one of the many reasons baseball is better


:cheers:


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No, I don't think Hockey can brag about their suspension rulings.


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Roger read this thread and has corrected things going forward.

I'm back football! You have once again shown how great this game is! What other league has a lifetime ban for domestic violence?

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ffective immediately, violations of the Personal Conduct Policy regarding assault, battery, domestic violence or sexual assault that involve physical force will be subject to a suspension without pay of six games for a first offense, with consideration given to mitigating factors, as well as a longer suspension when circumstances warrant. Among the circumstances that would merit a more severe penalty would be a prior incident before joining the NFL, or violence involving a weapon, choking, repeated striking, or when the act is committed against a pregnant woman or in the presence of a child. A second offense will result in banishment from the NFL; while an individual may petition for reinstatement after one year, there will be no presumption or assurance that the petition will be granted. These disciplinary standards will apply to all NFL personnel.


So smack around a non pregnant woman = 6 games


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ffective immediately, violations of the Personal Conduct Policy regarding assault, battery, domestic violence or sexual assault that involve physical force will be subject to a suspension without pay of six games for a first offense, with consideration given to mitigating factors, as well as a longer suspension when circumstances warrant. Among the circumstances that would merit a more severe penalty would be a prior incident before joining the NFL, or violence involving a weapon, choking, repeated striking, or when the act is committed against a pregnant woman or in the presence of a child. A second offense will result in banishment from the NFL; while an individual may petition for reinstatement after one year, there will be no presumption or assurance that the petition will be granted. These disciplinary standards will apply to all NFL personnel.


So smack around a non pregnant woman = 6 games


Or smack around a man

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So smack around a non pregnant woman = 6 games


Or smack around a man

Or spmack around either.

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So smack around a non pregnant woman = 6 games


Or smack around a man

Or spmack around either.


I didnt see anything about finger pointing in there...

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http://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/08/josh-gordon-suspension-nfl-drug-rules-misguided

Josh Gordon has no one to blame but himself for his year-long suspension for another positive drug test. Yes, the NFL rules on marijuana are misguided and out of touch, but disliking a law isn’t a defense for breaking it.

The uproar over Ray Rice’s two-game suspension is the catalyst for most of the anger directed toward Gordon’s year-long ban. How could a man caught on video assaulting his girlfriend get a two-game suspension when a man who tested positive for a substance that’s legal in two states and decriminalized elsewhere gets a full season?

This misses the point entirely. It’s true that Rice’s two-game suspension was a travesty, but it has no relevance on what happened to Josh Gordon. They’re separate incidents, the first falling under an unfortunate gray area of legalese, the second covered by the iron-clad certainties of drug testing.


Gordon has now failed multiple drug tests in both college and the NFL. The positive NFL test led to a two-game suspension at the start of last season. In order to be on the field for the Browns’ Week 1 game against the Steelers, he had to do one thing: pass every drug test in the offseason. He didn’t do that. The penalty is a year-long ban. It was enforced properly.

What’s the complaint, exactly? That Gordon shouldn’t have to serve the penalty he knew he was risking?

If you want to argue the CBA policy on discipline is terrible, I’ll join you. If you want to argue that any system which prohibits suspensions for DUI arrests but suspends for smoking weed is capricious, arbitrary and not in the best interests of NFL players or fans, you’ll find no disagreement here. But the rule is the rule, and it’s one the players agreed to in the CBA.


Now it’s time to change the rule. It’s too late to save Josh Gordon from missing the 2014 season, but maybe his woes will be a catalyst for necessary change. Positive drug tests should still carry sanctions. After all, the NFL is a business and it’s not good business to have your players associated with drug use. But one year is too harsh, particularly when domestic violence and drunk driving carry lesser sanctions.

The worst part of the suspension is Gordon’s banishment from all Cleveland Browns activities while he serves his suspension. If the point is to get Gordon on a straight path, not allowing him to have the structure and discipline of a football environment is pure hypocrisy from the league.

There are many problems with the NFL’s rules and its application of their sanctions. But in Josh Gordon’s case, he brought them all upon himself.

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Killing people while under the influence of alcohol can get you the same penalty as smoking marijuana or less. Stallworth got a year and now he only gets 10 games.

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=11455604

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This is the video that Roger Goodell saw and then gave him 2 games.

http://deadspin.com/heres-video-of-ray-rice-knocking-out-his-fiancee-in-an-1631864196

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