If you made a pot of coffee with as much coke in it as there is caffeine, it wouldn't be very harmful. Are you against that as an alternative psychoactive drug in the morning?

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I would say chewing coca leaves is probably like drinking a cup of coffee.

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Is that true? From what I understand, and what SomeGuy says, your brain reacts differently to cocaine.

A low amount would obviously change the danger levels just like anything else. I still find it hard to believe I could spend 50 years having a cup of bean water laced with cocaine and not have major problems eventually.

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SomeGuy is correct in his analysis of acute vs long - term use. That is why he is on team cocaine.

However, there are other stimulants that were very recently legal that are similar. Ephedrine comes to mind.

There are also extremely strong stimulants that are currently legally prescribed to 10 year Olds all over the country. Adderall is meth in pill form. But it's legal. And prescribed to kids. If you want to know the long term effects of chronic cocaine use, just poll these kids in 30 years. But I'm sure it has nothing to do with money. I'm sure their manufacturers don't lobby the FDA. The only difference is that the cocaine lobby doesn't have a voice.

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Long term cocaine use would probably lead to brain chemistry changes. Permanent changes. You can OD on coke but the amount varies by body type, tolerance and quality of the cocaine. If you're doing a bunch and it's pretty good stuff you're probably alright but if you're doing a bunch and some asshole cuts it with caffeine and/or ephedrine...you're in for trouble.

A large 20oz D&D has a bout .25 grams of caffeine in it. A .25 gram of good cocaine isn't going to do much.

They are two different substances. That share some effects.

This is why this conversation, IMO, is nebulous and can get tail chasingly silly.

What you highlight here is exactly right and probably an example of something we'll think was a terrible idea 30 years from now too.

It should be pointed out that there are structural differences between Adderall and meth and they aren't exactly the same. They are both amphetamines but just like cocaine and caffeine, being in the same classification is not the same as being the same thing.

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Correct, but they are similar enough to be scary.

I can tell you that Adderall was the strongest (and longest lasting) stimulant I've ever used.

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I don't think I've ever had any amphetamine but I agree with you that the amount of it being prescribed is scary.

I probably would have had it prescribed to me if I was born even ten years later. My mom says she put the kibosh on any stuff like that for me being "active". I believe she said "He's a kid".

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I've read that it's very possible Albert Einstein would have been deemed "unattentive" if born today and that he very likely may have been prescribed a stimulant. Imagine what potentially creative geniuses are being turned into zombies through the use of these drugs, too.

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I literally cannot imagine you having an attention deficit disorder.

Is there such a thing as an attention surplus disorder?

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I was just really active. I always wanted to do something.

I think it annoyed some teachers. They seemed to like the kids that just sat there and did nothing.

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Also, big shoutout to my DARE instructor for teaching me so well!

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Yeah, teachers love the path of least resistance. Maybe you should have gone to Montessori school or something.

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Jesus, this guy should be giving motivational speeches to Jehova Witness children or something.

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I've made clear repeatedly that I think the difference of the two drugs is exaggerated. I don't know how to simplify that any further.


Someguy said it better than I did and the thing about .025 g of either substance being basically harmless is what I had in mind.

The delivery method and amount makes a huge difference.

But the two drugs in their purest forms and equal amounts are not that different

COCAINE OR CAFFEINE?

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I think you probably overestimate cocaine's effect. Its predominant effect is pretty much the caffeine feeling but just amplified

Whatever a persons version is of way too much coffee where they get jittery is pretty much what coke would do to them

It wears off very quickly when snorted, also.

Doing cocaine while sober is not fun. The jitter comparison is a good one.

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I just think they could probably have regulated and manipulated it and put it right in our morning drink if they wanted


Snorting anything is pretty intense

Good point. It was in Coke at one point. Actually, it's a great point. A lot of the cocaine stigma is the snorting too.

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People do love dogs but, I don't think Roethlisberger would have gone to jail if he was the one dog fighting. Vick was a lighting rod for people like Elmhurst Steve. Who could use people's love of animals to crucify him, without sounding racist.

Ok. I'm convinced. You think cocaine and caffeine are basically the same thing.

I disagree.

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Yeah but with the Jorr and Some guy posts about amount and delivery method in mind

Snorting cocaine is more dangerous than drinking coffee. But if the amounts and vessel was the same, it'd be close

Definitely true. Nobody wants to stand up for an animal abuser.

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Huh? This is where I get all confused. You said a bump of cocaine is equal to a triple espresso earlier.

I'm going to guess that drinking a cocaine laced drink every day for 30 years won't work out well for you. I don't know where this "safe level" stuff is coming from. Of course having less of it and drinking it will not be the same as snorting it but it doesn't suddenly make it as safe as caffeine.

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Yes, the effect would be very similar in most cases


Like I said, I think you're overestimating cocaines effect.


I agree with SomeGuy

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.25 grams of cocaine would be a big,fat, honkin, ginormous line. The kind where you spell out your name in yayo.

.25 grams would be:

2.5 lines worth for the average user. (10 lines per gram).

4 lines worth for the occasional user. (15 lines per gram)

1.25 lines for the hard-core crack-head. (5 lines per gram).

and if it's really good shit and you rail that much at once, you'll be off yer head in no time.

I would have to say that back in the day a half gram of coke was the go to for two people to split. Maybey that was due to my finances? One thing I know for sure though was a half gram of coffee didn't have me driving all over at 3am looking for more coffee.

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