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Just crossed the 50 game hump and after 225 PA's this is what the leader of the first wave has done:

.216/.274/.382. OPS of .656.

27.7% K vs. 6.7% BB.

.167 ISO, .290 wOBA and 80 wRC+.

Pretty good defense. Not enough games to make any use of UZR but he's been solid out there.

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This is what I like to call a bad baseball player. Two parts of his game don't suck: 1. ISO; a little surprising with the power I'll give him that and 2. he walks enough.

Joy. Let's move onto the bad.

His power might be a fluke. It might not be, but I'd reckon it is. Guy has hit 55 fly balls, 8 of them have gone yard. That's 14.5%, which for some guys is fine but considering his profile coming out of the minors probably isn't going to sustain. Especially when an 11% line drive rate (identical to one Mike Olt) doesn't indicate at all that he's hitting pitchers with much authority.

He strikes out way too much. Like much too much. If this power is going to regress it's going to get ugly fast. Alcantara needs to put the ball in play, needs to press the issue on fielder's to overcome his above average speed to make the play. Just off and creating an out 27% of the time takes all the pressure off the defense, he's minimizing the opportunities to create cheap hits.

The spray chart is downright ugly. Shallow flies, the middle of the diamond is fucking empty (unless it's right to the pitcher... not good) and he hits damn near nothing to the gaps with any pop.

His value is, at best, half of what it was as a prospect. He's borderline unmovable because the Cubs expect other teams to still buy the hype when even a cursory glance shows he is doomed to be a very below/below average hitter. The risk of failure here is not only high, but immediate. I won't call him a bust yet, but if someone did it'd be difficult to mount a counter argument.


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He will probabl always strike out too much, guys rarely improve, especially well scouted guys.

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If Soler's 25 plate appearances are enough to be excited about, Alcantara's 225 should be enough to be depressed about.

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3 paragraphs making grand conclusions on a player who has played 50 games based on the belief that his power might regress

:lol: Sox fans....cant knock the effort


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America wrote:
Just crossed the 50 game hump and after 225 PA's this is what the leader of the first wave has done:

.216/.274/.382. OPS of .656.

27.7% K vs. 6.7% BB.

.167 ISO, .290 wOBA and 80 wRC+.

Pretty good defense. Not enough games to make any use of UZR but he's been solid out there.

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This is what I like to call a bad baseball player. Two parts of his game don't suck: 1. ISO; a little surprising with the power I'll give him that and 2. he walks enough.

Joy. Let's move onto the bad.

His power might be a fluke. It might not be, but I'd reckon it is. Guy has hit 55 fly balls, 8 of them have gone yard. That's 14.5%, which for some guys is fine but considering his profile coming out of the minors probably isn't going to sustain. Especially when an 11% line drive rate (identical to one Mike Olt) doesn't indicate at all that he's hitting pitchers with much authority.

He strikes out way too much. Like much too much. If this power is going to regress it's going to get ugly fast. Alcantara needs to put the ball in play, needs to press the issue on fielder's to overcome his above average speed to make the play. Just off and creating an out 27% of the time takes all the pressure off the defense, he's minimizing the opportunities to create cheap hits.

The spray chart is downright ugly. Shallow flies, the middle of the diamond is fucking empty (unless it's right to the pitcher... not good) and he hits damn near nothing to the gaps with any pop.

His value is, at best, half of what it was as a prospect. He's borderline unmovable because the Cubs expect other teams to still buy the hype when even a cursory glance shows he is doomed to be a very below/below average hitter. The risk of failure here is not only high, but immediate. I won't call him a bust yet, but if someone did it'd be difficult to mount a counter argument.


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I wouldn't group America with JORR, Frank, BRick etc. America appears to be a special breed of obsessive lunatic.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
3 paragraphs making grand conclusions on a player who has played 50 games based on the belief that his power might regress

:lol: Sox fans....cant knock the effort


He doesn't have enough power to hit .220. Personally, I don't think Baez has enough power to hit .220. But I'm coming off four years of Adam Dunn. Put a guy like that in the middle of your lineup for a couple seasons and we'll see how many Cub fans are still defending him.

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I wouldn't group America with JORR.

I would since they are the same person


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
I wouldn't group America with JORR.

I would since they are the same person


:lol: I've never been to Oregon.

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Well if anyone knows about power regression, it would be Sox fans with Abreu in the second half.

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I haven't been impressed by him to this point. Again, its highly unlikely that all these guys are going to be solid major league players .That's just the way it is . Some are going to be just not very good. Now you can argue that its way too early to tell with Baez and Alcantara and thats fine but lets not get offended at the thought that yeah, a couple of The Plan guys are going to go the way of Pie, Jackson, etc.

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I haven't been impressed by him to this point. Again, its highly unlikely that all these guys are going to be solid major league players .That's just the way it is . Some are going to be just not very good. Now you can argue that its way too early to tell with Baez and Alcantara and thats fine but lets not get offended at the thought that yeah, a couple of The Plan guys are going to go the way of Pie, Jackson, etc.


They don't all have to make it. If you have Castro, Rizzo, and Soler batting 3-4-5 it looks like a good place to start. And that's without Bryant who is the next Babe Ruth.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
I wouldn't group America with JORR.

I would since they are the same person

Yep. I was just thinking that yesterday.

JORR knew he was going too meatball lately so he developed this character to jump off the edge.

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badrogue17 wrote:
I haven't been impressed by him to this point. Again, its highly unlikely that all these guys are going to be solid major league players .That's just the way it is . Some are going to be just not very good. Now you can argue that its way too early to tell with Baez and Alcantara and thats fine but lets not get offended at the thought that yeah, a couple of The Plan guys are going to go the way of Pie, Jackson, etc.

Its not getting offended at the thought or being offended at all. Of course some of them are going to bust out

Its the presentation and bias in the post. Literally 80% of the post is based on something that hasnt happened (if his power regresses)


Alcantara and Baez have not been great but both have shown enough positive things that you could easily see them developing into a good player. It could go either way at this point.


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RFDC wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
I wouldn't group America with JORR.

I would since they are the same person

Yep. I was just thinking that yesterday.

JORR knew he was going too meatball lately so he developed this character to jump off the edge.

Nah, JORR knocks around the Cubs but is realistic with the Sox. America is delusional and full of really dummy thoughts.


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RFDC wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
I wouldn't group America with JORR.

I would since they are the same person

Yep. I was just thinking that yesterday.

JORR knew he was going too meatball lately so he developed this character to jump off the edge.


I didn't realize I had such a reputation for being a multer. :lol:

Anyway, I think it's highly unlikely I created a mult to argue with myself about "run support".

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Amercia is not JORR and it is not a Mult.

But he sure travels

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Amercia is not JORR and it is not a Mult.

But he sure travels

With all due respect, you have no way of knowing that for sure

All you can say is whether the IPs are the same. And of course they arent. JORR is not dumb.


Its him for sure


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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
RFDC wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
I wouldn't group America with JORR.

I would since they are the same person

Yep. I was just thinking that yesterday.

JORR knew he was going too meatball lately so he developed this character to jump off the edge.


I didn't realize I had such a reputation for being a multer. :lol:

Anyway, I think it's highly unlikely I created a mult to argue with myself about "run support".

Yeah, I saw that. Intersting that America just made one post disagreeing with you and didnt follow up. He seems to be a guy who likes a good baseball argument

Could it be that you planted that post for proof its NOT you? And that's why you pulled it out when you were accused?

Oh I think so

Here is exhibit A

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Nobody cares about cores except for mopes on the internet. Do I really care if someone is a member of some fantasy core? Does being a part of a core amplify a players value as opposed to players not in THE CORE? Can a 4 WAR player who's 34 be in the core, or does it have to be a 23 year old with a 40% k rate but lotsa tools?



Cmon....that's JORR baby!


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Exhibit B


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Edit- I also registered from my brothers home computer in Chicago, so I don't know if that's going to be permanently logged as my IP. I post almost exclusively from my phone.



:lol: Might as well have named him NOTAMULT


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Nice catch. I can't type more than 2 sentences on my phone before getting logged out. How the hell is he able to type paragraphs?


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Nice catch. I can't type more than 2 sentences on my phone before getting logged out. How the hell is he able to type paragraphs?

Not having the motor function of a drooling retard helps.


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bigfan wrote:
Amercia is not JORR and it is not a Mult.

But he sure travels

I'm about to head out again, fyi. You'll catch some Idaho, Utah, Wyoming.. in that order.


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:lol: :lol:

The dedication to the role is great


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Well if anyone knows about power regression, it would be Sox fans with Abreu in the second half.
Try as you might, you cannot knock an MVP candidate.

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immessedup17 wrote:
Well if anyone knows about power regression, it would be Sox fans with Abreu in the second half.

Somehow I doubt Alcantara's power regression will coincide with suddenly becoming a .360ish hitter.


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Did I say .360? I meant .375... because that's been Abreu's July and August. That's almost more than Baez and Alcantara combined.


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America wrote:
immessedup17 wrote:
Well if anyone knows about power regression, it would be Sox fans with Abreu in the second half.

Somehow I doubt Alcantara's power regression will coincide with suddenly becoming a .360ish hitter.

:lol:

The power regression you hope occurs at some point.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
bigfan wrote:
Amercia is not JORR and it is not a Mult.

But he sure travels

With all due respect, you have no way of knowing that for sure

All you can say is whether the IPs are the same. And of course they arent. JORR is not dumb.


Its him for sure


Nah as much as the usual suspects of Sox fans could be this mult I give them more credit than that.
I think a famous nutbag from the political threads made his way over here with a new passport.

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