Arismendy Alcanthitra

America · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:03 am

As far as we know there are few flaws in Alcantara's defensive game. He's a good defender. I made a point to..uh..make that point.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

For the record, I believe he will be an average player. He'll be a starter most of his career.

312player · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:04 am

Great speed..bad jumps on balls...below average arm...i would put him in right.

America · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:05 am

By the way, JORR, you should really go to Oregon. It's the best state in the union. I have no hard feelings towards Illinois, but Illinois is not a garden paradise of rainforest and wonderment.

Hatchetman · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:07 am

JORR would enjoy the rampant drug abuse there.

312player · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:08 am

I been to Eugene ..its great..beautiful state.

America · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:17 am

Hatchetman wrote:

JORR would enjoy the rampant drug abuse there.

It's not all Portland/Eugene hippies. Your Ashland dope scene is very different from your Salem dope scene. Oregon City's scene is great, borrows just enough Portland to grant it the character without all the pretension.

Really it's just Troutdale and the Coast (minus Astoria) that get all creepy and weird with their drugs.

Juiced · **Joined:** Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:06 am **Posts:** 6839

Kirkwood wrote:

RFDC wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

I wouldn't group America with JORR.

I would since they are the same person

Yep. I was just thinking that yesterday.

JORR knew he was going too meatball lately so he developed this character to jump off the edge.

Nah, JORR knocks around the Cubs but is realistic with the Sox. America is delusional and full of really dummy thoughts.

I agree. No way America is JORR. America has a special kind of stupid to his post. Nothing special about a JORR post, mostly stupid. Good Dolphin is my vote for America.

Hatchetman · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:29 am

Juiced wrote:

Good Dolphin is my vote for America.

The plot thickens!! :lol:

spmack · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:30 am

America and More, I'll be Seattle in two weeks. Should I take the two hour ride to meet up with you?

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

America wrote:

The worse he is at hitting, the better he will be at hitting. I guess I just don't know baseball or logic at all.

What are you talking about? Were discussing his homeruns. He's getting better since 2011. If you want to talk about other parts of his game thats fine but you're not even being honest at this point when you say "the worse he's hitting"

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82152

spmack wrote:

I'll be Seattle in two weeks. ?

Is this as part of some kind of living history museum or Pow Wow? pm me the location. I'll stop off at Dr. Ken's along the way and be Illiniwek.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:02 am

immessedup17 wrote:

Well if anyone knows about power regression, it would be Sox fans with Abreu in the second half.

His OPS has increased the last two months.

I think you and Denis owe me an apology.

IMU · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:05 am

FavreFan wrote:

immessedup17 wrote:

Well if anyone knows about power regression, it would be Sox fans with Abreu in the second half.

His OPS has increased the last two months.

I think you and Denis owe me an apology.

We were discussing power. Not overall offensive ability.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:07 am

immessedup17 wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

immessedup17 wrote:

Well if anyone knows about power regression, it would be Sox fans with Abreu in the second half.

His OPS has increased the last two months.

I think you and Denis owe me an apology.

We were discussing power. Not overall offensive ability.

I'm pretty happy with a guy who's power has regressed and is still leading all qualified MLB players in OPS for the entire season.

IMU · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:08 am

FavreFan wrote:

immessedup17 wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

immessedup17 wrote:

Well if anyone knows about power regression, it would be Sox fans with Abreu in the second half.

His OPS has increased the last two months.

I think you and Denis owe me an apology.

We were discussing power. Not overall offensive ability.

I'm pretty happy with a guy who's power has regressed and is still leading all qualified MLB players in OPS for the entire season.

As you should be.

But since we're going off on tangents, how do you like the new ND Miata? Are you worried about Ebola? How do you think the I-90 Construction project is proceeding?

spmack · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:16 am

good dolphin wrote:

spmack wrote:

I'll be Seattle in two weeks. ?

Is this as part of some kind of living history museum or Pow Wow? pm me the location. I'll stop off at Dr. Ken's along the way and be Illiniwek.

It's for work so I have to stay clean. Only place I'm going for sure is Emerald Downs, and whatever Tinder chick I find. :safe:

FavreFan · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:23 am

Good point. Ebola and interstate construction are just as relevant to OPS as hitting a baseball for power is.

IMU · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:24 am

FavreFan wrote:

Good point. Ebola and interstate construction is just as relevant to OPS as hitting a baseball for power is.

We're not talking about OPS though.

We're talking about power. And OPS does not factor into power. Power factors into OPS. You're trying to increase the scale of the discussion - not add anything to the current scope.

I was doing the same.

Abreu's power has regressed. His OPS has gone up on account of his increased on-base skills, via the single and walk.

FavreFan · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:26 am

immessedup17 wrote:

FavreFan wrote:

Good point. Ebola and interstate construction is just as relevant to OPS as hitting a baseball for power is.

We're not talking about OPS though.

We're talking about power. And OPS does not factor into power. Power factors into OPS. You're trying to increase the scale of the discussion - not add anything to the current scope.

I was doing the same.

Abreu's power has regressed. His OPS has gone up on account of his increased on-base skills, via the single and walk.

I was simply pointing out Abreu is a terrible target in the Cub Sox troll wars. He's the best hitter in baseball.

IMU · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:29 am

I agree. But you're mistaking him as a target of mine. I just made an observance about power regression.

Abreu had 25 home runs over his first 296 PA.

He has had 8 home runs in his last 232 PA. Or, in a shorter time frame, 2 HR since 7/30/14.

He may finish with...36 or 37 HR? When he was at 25 HR...some Sox fans pegged him for a guaranteed 50. That is all I'm getting at. 30 HR was thought to be "crazy." He is most likely finishing in the 30's now.

conns7901 · **Joined:** Wed Nov 30, 2005 11:36 pm **Posts:** 19344

spmack wrote:

America is Jalapenos and More.

I don't remember him having baseball thoughts.

spmack · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:44 am

conns7901 wrote:

spmack wrote:

America is Jalapenos and More.

I don't remember him having baseball thoughts.

search.php?author_id=7107&sr=posts

He had a lot of baseball thoughts....unless you meant good baseball thoughts.

good dolphin · **Joined:** Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:35 pm **Posts:** 82152

immessedup17 wrote:

He is most likely finishing in the 30's now.

remember when he was likely to hit .235 and 25

THE INQUISITOR · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:29 pm

America wrote:

Just crossed the 50 game hump and after 225 PA's this is what the leader of the first wave has done:

.216/.274/.382. OPS of .656.

27.7% K vs. 6.7% BB.

.167 ISO, .290 wOBA and 80 wRC+.

Pretty good defense. Not enough games to make any use of UZR but he's been solid out there.

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This is what I like to call a bad baseball player. Two parts of his game don't suck: 1. ISO; a little surprising with the power I'll give him that and 2. he walks enough.

Joy. Let's move onto the bad.

His power might be a fluke. It might not be, but I'd reckon it is. Guy has hit 55 fly balls, 8 of them have gone yard. That's 14.5%, which for some guys is fine but considering his profile coming out of the minors probably isn't going to sustain. Especially when an 11% line drive rate (identical to one Mike Olt) doesn't indicate at all that he's hitting pitchers with much authority.

He strikes out way too much. Like much too much. If this power is going to regress it's going to get ugly fast. Alcantara needs to put the ball in play, needs to press the issue on fielder's to overcome his above average speed to make the play. Just off and creating an out 27% of the time takes all the pressure off the defense, he's minimizing the opportunities to create cheap hits.

The spray chart is downright ugly. Shallow flies, the middle of the diamond is fucking empty (unless it's right to the pitcher... not good) and he hits damn near nothing to the gaps with any pop.

His value is, at best, half of what it was as a prospect. He's borderline unmovable because the Cubs expect other teams to still buy the hype when even a cursory glance shows he is doomed to be a very below/below average hitter. The risk of failure here is not only high, but immediate. I won't call him a bust yet, but if someone did it'd be difficult to mount a counter argument.

Alcantara was the Cubs #7 prospect according ta BA this spring.

Please compare him to YOUR #7 BA prospect Courtney Hawkins.

If that doesn't work for you how about a comp to one tool Micha Johnson?

Alcantara was never part of the CORE FOUR and if you project the all prospects forward he is a bench guy ...maybe a super sub who can play all over the field, has some speed, a switch hitter with some POP.

Brick · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:31 pm

Wow. THE INQUISITOR always making it about the White Sox.

Rod · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:31 pm

THE INQUISITOR wrote:

America wrote:

Just crossed the 50 game hump and after 225 PA's this is what the leader of the first wave has done:

.216/.274/.382. OPS of .656.

27.7% K vs. 6.7% BB.

.167 ISO, .290 wOBA and 80 wRC+.

Pretty good defense. Not enough games to make any use of UZR but he's been solid out there.

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This is what I like to call a bad baseball player. Two parts of his game don't suck: 1. ISO; a little surprising with the power I'll give him that and 2. he walks enough.

Joy. Let's move onto the bad.

His power might be a fluke. It might not be, but I'd reckon it is. Guy has hit 55 fly balls, 8 of them have gone yard. That's 14.5%, which for some guys is fine but considering his profile coming out of the minors probably isn't going to sustain. Especially when an 11% line drive rate (identical to one Mike Olt) doesn't indicate at all that he's hitting pitchers with much authority.

He strikes out way too much. Like much too much. If this power is going to regress it's going to get ugly fast. Alcantara needs to put the ball in play, needs to press the issue on fielder's to overcome his above average speed to make the play. Just off and creating an out 27% of the time takes all the pressure off the defense, he's minimizing the opportunities to create cheap hits.

The spray chart is downright ugly. Shallow flies, the middle of the diamond is fucking empty (unless it's right to the pitcher... not good) and he hits damn near nothing to the gaps with any pop.

His value is, at best, half of what it was as a prospect. He's borderline unmovable because the Cubs expect other teams to still buy the hype when even a cursory glance shows he is doomed to be a very below/below average hitter. The risk of failure here is not only high, but immediate. I won't call him a bust yet, but if someone did it'd be difficult to mount a counter argument.

Alcantara was the Cubs #7 prospect according ta BA this spring.

Please compare him to YOUR #7 BA prospect Courtney Hawkins.

If that doesn't work for you how about a comp to one tool Micha Johnson?

Alcantara was never part of the CORE FOUR and if you project the all prospects forward he is a bench guy ...maybe a super sub who can play all over the field, has some speed, a switch hitter with some POP.

I don't feel like logging in as America. But are you resigned to the failure of Alcantara?

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:33 pm

INQUISTOR bringing the heat. Subdivision is on the run!

THE INQUISITOR · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:50 pm

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

THE INQUISITOR wrote:

America wrote:

Just crossed the 50 game hump and after 225 PA's this is what the leader of the first wave has done:

.216/.274/.382. OPS of .656.

27.7% K vs. 6.7% BB.

.167 ISO, .290 wOBA and 80 wRC+.

Pretty good defense. Not enough games to make any use of UZR but he's been solid out there.

-------------

This is what I like to call a bad baseball player. Two parts of his game don't suck: 1. ISO; a little surprising with the power I'll give him that and 2. he walks enough.

Joy. Let's move onto the bad.

His power might be a fluke. It might not be, but I'd reckon it is. Guy has hit 55 fly balls, 8 of them have gone yard. That's 14.5%, which for some guys is fine but considering his profile coming out of the minors probably isn't going to sustain. Especially when an 11% line drive rate (identical to one Mike Olt) doesn't indicate at all that he's hitting pitchers with much authority.

He strikes out way too much. Like much too much. If this power is going to regress it's going to get ugly fast. Alcantara needs to put the ball in play, needs to press the issue on fielder's to overcome his above average speed to make the play. Just off and creating an out 27% of the time takes all the pressure off the defense, he's minimizing the opportunities to create cheap hits.

The spray chart is downright ugly. Shallow flies, the middle of the diamond is fucking empty (unless it's right to the pitcher... not good) and he hits damn near nothing to the gaps with any pop.

His value is, at best, half of what it was as a prospect. He's borderline unmovable because the Cubs expect other teams to still buy the hype when even a cursory glance shows he is doomed to be a very below/below average hitter. The risk of failure here is not only high, but immediate. I won't call him a bust yet, but if someone did it'd be difficult to mount a counter argument.

Alcantara was the Cubs #7 prospect according ta BA this spring.

Please compare him to YOUR #7 BA prospect Courtney Hawkins.

If that doesn't work for you how about a comp to one tool Micha Johnson?

Alcantara was never part of the CORE FOUR and if you project the all prospects forward he is a bench guy ...maybe a super sub who can play all over the field, has some speed, a switch hitter with some POP.

I don't feel like logging in as America. But are you resigned to the failure of Alcantara?

He is a bench guy... a utilityman... super sub... never was projected to be a regular. If that's a failure to you so be it.... but you have seen enough baseball to that almost every winning team has THAT guy on the bench....

IMU · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:51 pm

good dolphin wrote:

immessedup17 wrote:

He is most likely finishing in the 30's now.

remember when he was likely to hit .235 and 25

I said this in April:

immessedup17 wrote:

If I were to bet on his home run total, I'd bet near 30 or just above.

I was wrong on average. I seem to be right on power.

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