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I am going to climb out on a limb and say 90% of Americans aren't uneducated. What percentage can't do 1st grade math?

There is a shocking amount of illiterate Americans. And I would wager that the majority of Americans don't know simple algebra. I saw people, grown men, STRUGGLING with things like determining Area and basic A.S.M.D. problems.


I saw a guy from Elmhurst struggling with adding and dividing.

Yeah that idiot can't do basic math. And he owns a company he stole from his daddy.
A quick stat from the google machine...

32 million adults in the U.S. can't read. That's 14 percent of the population. 21 percent of adults in the U.S. read below a 5th grade level, and 19 percent of high school graduates can't read.

Seems too high but maybe?

Floyd Mayweather is one...

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That audio is hilarious. He can't blame that on getting hit in the head because he usually doesn't.

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Or the masses could rise up and take their fair share of the resources.


Their fair share......the reason they get as little as they do, is they don't deserve more. You can't screw off in school, fail to get the education needed for better paying jobs and expect better. That is, unless you are willing to do trade work or other jobs that involve more physical labor/effort. If you are not educated or willing to work hard at a labor related job....fuck you. You don't deserve better.

I didn't get this memo, you fuck.

Well, Steve fucked off in school, failed to get a decent education needed for a better paying job and stole a business from his father while he was sick so he could advance.

Once again, cops aren't cops because they were honor roll students.



Wrong. I graduated and made the Deans list and President's list more often than not. I missed graduating Magna cum laude by a narrow margin. I got a good education that allowed me to get a job in Law Enforcement and you are a fucking jag off to even intimate that I would steal my Fathers business. I took over the reigns after he had a heart attack and helped him when he needed me. He could have asked my Brother to run things, but he trusted that I would handle things better. I was an honor roll student. Not every semester. But more often than not. You couldn't even finish community college.....what a loser! :lol:

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If any of that is true, where did things start to go wrong? We are here to listen.

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If any of that is true, where did things start to go wrong? We are here to listen.


They are going quite well. I have no complaints.

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Wrong. I graduated and made the Deans list and President's list more often than not. I missed graduating Magna cum laude by a narrow margin.

Did. Not. Happen

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A good education is CLEARLY not necessary to get a job in Law Enforcement. I bet most are barely HS grads.

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You couldn't even finish community college.....what a loser! :lol:

I didn't go to community college. I went to a State University. Moron.

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I would be shocked if any of the stuff about school was true. My guy Chus will be by shortly to provide proof that it isn't true.

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If any of that is true, where did things start to go wrong? We are here to listen.


They are going quite well. I have no complaints.

What he means is, when did your Honor Roll education fail you to the extent that you have proven repeatedly on this message board?
Why did someone with such educational credentials take a low paying beat cop salary instead of curing cancer or something that made good money like finance or perhaps something like a legal career?

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If any of that is true, where did things start to go wrong? We are here to listen.


They are going quite well. I have no complaints.

What he means is, when did your Honor Roll education fail you to the extent that you have proven repeatedly on this message board?
Why did someone with such educational credentials take a low paying beat cop salary instead of curing cancer or something that made good money like finance or perhaps something like a legal career?


I think he seriously thought I gave two shits.

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Another thing many do not know is that none of us is keeping up with real inflation. Even if you make a great living or have a real solid job you are losing. We have all been there the last 10 years. No raise this year then 2.5% the next then none for two then maybe a 5%. You are losing and the CPI they all gear raises to now is BS.

Unless you are unique or skilled enough to job hop every now and then you lose.


The inflation rate in the USA right now is 2%. My company has been giving annual merit increases that average about 3% for the last 5 years. It is frustrating that the increase range that I am allowed to give is between 1.5% & 3.5%...but the people who report to me make their money from performance based metrics...commission, incentive & bonus, not in annual merit increase.

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Btw we raised minimum wage from 5.15 to 7.25 from 2007-2009 (about 40%) and prices stayed reasonable

And these same 50$ big mac arguments were made. What happened there?




Good point there. On the other hand did it help society to close a wage gap or improve things? I will wait for a graph. :wink:

No. Guess what happened? The gap widened
So I'll ask once again, why not make the minimum wage $3 an hour? Poor people should become pretty well off!

...or it could be that the income gap is going to change regardless because it is even happening to higher paid people.

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Corporate welfare was and is by far the biggest racket going. The amount of money given to private enterprise far outpaces the amount of money given to the poor. There are a number of corporations that have become rich solely based on govt. contracts and subsidization. David Cay Johnston wrote a book titled free lunch which details how a number of financial geniuses became wealthy simply because of govt. connections. Our illustrious mayor is a prime example of this. It's why lobbying is such a big business. I always chuckle at the anger expressed towards people that "look to govt for handouts". Corporations do exactly the same thing and are never called on it.

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Btw we raised minimum wage from 5.15 to 7.25 from 2007-2009 (about 40%) and prices stayed reasonable

And these same 50$ big mac arguments were made. What happened there?




Good point there. On the other hand did it help society to close a wage gap or improve things? I will wait for a graph. :wink:

No. Guess what happened? The gap widened
So I'll ask once again, why not make the minimum wage $3 an hour? Poor people should become pretty well off!

...or it could be that the income gap is going to change regardless because it is even happening to higher paid people.


It's not that I disagree with you on people needing to get paid more. It's just that pulling a number out of a hat doesn't change anything. Reducing income inequality would accomplish that. Raising the minimum wage hasn't accomplished that in the past.

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Corporate welfare was and is by far the biggest racket going. The amount of money given to private enterprise far outpaces the amount of money given to the poor. There are a number of corporations that have become rich solely based on govt. contracts and subsidization. David Cay Johnston wrote a book titled free lunch which details how a number of financial geniuses became wealthy simply because of govt. connections. Our illustrious mayor is a prime example of this. It's why lobbying is such a big business. I always chuckle at the anger expressed towards people that "look to govt for handouts". Corporations do exactly the same thing and are never called on it.


But worse than that are the ideas that people have about other people. A lot of Americans equate "poor" with "bad, "lazy", "stupid", etc. Poor just means you don't have any money. It's not a statement regarding one's character.

Beyond that, yeah, not everyone is highly intelligent. Not everyone is highly capable. Do the less intelligent, the less capable deserve to starve to death? And the worst part is, a guy like Elmhurst Steve actually believes he is one of the best and brightest, using all of his abilities and skills to succeed in a battle of the fittest. Nothing could be further from the truth.

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It's not that I disagree with you on people needing to get paid more. It's just that pulling a number out of a hat doesn't change anything. Reducing income inequality would accomplish that. Raising the minimum wage hasn't accomplished that in the past.
The thing is I'm not sure you can say that it didn't help. It's just that other things have happened. I think it's likely if minimum wage stayed at $1 an hour for the past 60 years that the gap would be much larger. Raising the minimum wage may have helped but not enough to overcome the other factors.

I just think it is a terrible thing that in our country you can go to work for 40+ hours a week and not be able to afford to feed yourself and have a place to sleep. As rpb is pointing out here, you can't have it both ways. You can't get mad at people for not working and then accept a scenario where someone can work 40 hours a week, for 52 weeks a year, and get paid $15,000 a year. All that is doing is creating a cycle of being perpetually poor with absolutely no hope of ever improving from it.

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Corporate welfare was and is by far the biggest racket going. The amount of money given to private enterprise far outpaces the amount of money given to the poor. There are a number of corporations that have become rich solely based on govt. contracts and subsidization. David Cay Johnston wrote a book titled free lunch which details how a number of financial geniuses became wealthy simply because of govt. connections. Our illustrious mayor is a prime example of this. It's why lobbying is such a big business. I always chuckle at the anger expressed towards people that "look to govt for handouts". Corporations do exactly the same thing and are never called on it.


But worse than that are the ideas that people have about other people. A lot of Americans equate "poor" with "bad, "lazy", "stupid", etc. Poor just means you don't have any money. It's not a statement regarding one's character.

Beyond that, yeah, not everyone is highly intelligent. Not everyone is highly capable. Do the less intelligent, the less capable deserve to starve to death? And the worst part is, a guy like Elmhurst Steve actually believes he is one of the best and brightest, using all of his abilities and skills to succeed in a battle of the fittest. Nothing could be further from the truth.


I agree wholeheartedly with that. Poor people have been demonized and while there are people that simply want to live off govt there are a number of people that want jobs and cant get hired.. The counter argument will be that corporations are not entitled to hire anyone. Their argument is classic Darwin. If that's the case govt is also not responsible for haulting the bankruptcy of corporations that are no longer solvent. After all we know that never happens does it?

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Corporate welfare was and is by far the biggest racket going. The amount of money given to private enterprise far outpaces the amount of money given to the poor. There are a number of corporations that have become rich solely based on govt. contracts and subsidization. David Cay Johnston wrote a book titled free lunch which details how a number of financial geniuses became wealthy simply because of govt. connections. Our illustrious mayor is a prime example of this. It's why lobbying is such a big business. I always chuckle at the anger expressed towards people that "look to govt for handouts". Corporations do exactly the same thing and are never called on it.


But worse than that are the ideas that people have about other people. A lot of Americans equate "poor" with "bad, "lazy", "stupid", etc. Poor just means you don't have any money. It's not a statement regarding one's character.

Beyond that, yeah, not everyone is highly intelligent. Not everyone is highly capable. Do the less intelligent, the less capable deserve to starve to death? And the worst part is, a guy like Elmhurst Steve actually believes he is one of the best and brightest, using all of his abilities and skills to succeed in a battle of the fittest. Nothing could be further from the truth.


I agree wholeheartedly with that. Poor people have been demonized and while there are people that simply want to live off govt there are a number of people that want jobs and cant get hired.. The counter argument will be that corporations are not entitled to hire anyone. Their argument is classic Darwin. If that's the case govt is also not responsible for haulting the bankruptcy of corporations that are no longer solvent. After all we know that never happens does it?


The "captains of industry" are always going on and on about "free markets" as they're begging for tax breaks.

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It's not that I disagree with you on people needing to get paid more. It's just that pulling a number out of a hat doesn't change anything. Reducing income inequality would accomplish that. Raising the minimum wage hasn't accomplished that in the past.
The thing is I'm not sure you can say that it didn't help. It's just that other things have happened. I think it's likely if minimum wage stayed at $1 an hour for the past 60 years that the gap would be much larger. Raising the minimum wage may have helped but not enough to overcome the other factors.

I just think it is a terrible thing that in our country you can go to work for 40+ hours a week and not be able to afford to feed yourself and have a place to sleep. As rpb is pointing out here, you can't have it both ways. You can't get mad at people for not working and then accept a scenario where someone can work 40 hours a week, for 52 weeks a year, and get paid $15,000 a year. All that is doing is creating a cycle of being perpetually poor with absolutely no hope of ever improving from it.


I agree but I haven't seen any proof that just raising the minimum wage will reduce poverty in this country.

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I just had my fantasy draft with a group of cops. Sargent's make 100K. That is for an 8 hour shift with great benefits and plenty of days off. They make more with the nearly unlimited OT. They make even more with side jobs that are being offered to them every day. I think most of them did graduate from college but that is certainly not necessary. Their work, while stressful, also seems enjoyable with a with a frat house work place atmosphere. Oh, they will also be retired with full pensions in less than a decade.

You hearing that Goff?

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[quote="Joe Orr Road Road]Or the masses could rise up and take their fair share of the resources.[/quote]

Their fair share......the reason they get as little as they do, is they don't deserve more. You can't screw off in school, fail to get the education needed for better paying jobs and expect better. That is, unless you are willing to do trade work or other jobs that involve more physical labor/effort. If you are not educated or willing to work hard at a labor related job....fuck you. You don't deserve better.[/quote]

This thought process is shared by a LOT of people.


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I got a good education that allowed me to get a job in Law Enforcement and you are a fucking jag off to even intimate that I would steal my Fathers business.

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I just had my fantasy draft with a group of cops. Sargent's make 100K. That is for an 8 hour shift with great benefits and plenty of days off. They make more with the nearly unlimited OT. They make even more with side jobs that are being offered to them every day. I think most of them did graduate from college but that is certainly not necessary. Their work, while stressful, also seems enjoyable with a with a frat house work place atmosphere. Oh, they will also be retired with full pensions in less than a decade.

You hearing that Goff?


Just got new paper, too. Rahm is hooking up all the contingencies he didn't need when he ran on brand recognition the first time out.

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I have enjoyed reading 15 pages of this banter. I have no interest in rehashing income inequality as it seems like we beat this dead horse a while back. Anyone with his eyes open recognizes this as a huge problem.

I would like to address crony capitalism. True free market types, like me, hate crony capitalism as much as the welfare state. As a Ron Paul Republican, I do not advocate the non-stop lobbying by corporate America for perks and benefits that block out competition and give special favors to the politically connected. I would like to point out that it is all part of the big government mind set that has invaded main stream political thought. Why?

Well, you have to have high taxes for companies to get meaningful tax breaks. You have to have restrictive regulation for companies to lobby for rules to block competition (i.e. foreign competitors or new entrants). The bigger the government, the bigger the incentive to spend on lobbyists to game the rules to entrench your own business. You take originally great ideas to regulate commerce and you turn it into a money grab for politically connected.

Examples:
-Taxi cab rules (a huge fight right now). We need these to be sure that cabs meet safety standards. But by limiting medallions, you restrict supply and innovation. Good luck Uber.
-Agricultural price supports. The only country in the world with soda made out of HF corn syrup. And we're a free market? And candy manufacturing moves out of the country to support beet farmers. Don't get me started on ethanol and crop insurance.
-Home ownership interest tax deduction. Oh I love my tax break. But it benefits the upper middle class to the detriment of the poor and renters. I'd give it up in a heartbeat. Would you?
-Charity deduction. Do you know how much the execs at United Way make? They thank you for your support.
-Credit unions. They are local and friendly right? They don't pay federal income taxes. The community bankers hate this. Mutual insurance companies pay federal income taxes. Why don't credit unions? Hmm, their lobbyists are better than anyone else's.
-Zoning rules. Of course we need these. But how about when those rules block much needed housing development in NY and San Fran? Well, people pay outrageous prices for homes and rents pushing out folks from their neighborhoods.
-Corporate governance is a joke. The crony boards conspire to pay one another high salaries regardless of their company's performance. This is a big part of the income inequality problem.

So the myth of the U.S. being a free market is just that. There are scores of rules that raise prices, block competition, over regulate business, and give out goodies for those that are connected. The problem is you love your government hand outs from tax breaks and so do your employers and politicians. Try closing a government contract plant in your district that makes unneeded military hardware.

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I went to college with so many inner city kids.


That didn't happen.

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I am going to climb out on a limb and say 90% of Americans aren't uneducated. What percentage can't do 1st grade math?

There is a shocking amount of illiterate Americans. And I would wager that the majority of Americans don't know simple algebra. I saw people, grown men, STRUGGLING with things like determining Area and basic A.S.M.D. problems.


I saw a guy from Elmhurst struggling with adding and dividing.

Yeah that idiot can't do basic math. And he owns a company he stole from his daddy.
A quick stat from the google machine...

32 million adults in the U.S. can't read. That's 14 percent of the population. 21 percent of adults in the U.S. read below a 5th grade level, and 19 percent of high school graduates can't read.


85% of all statistics are incorrect. 62% of the people know this.

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I would be shocked if any of the stuff about school was true. My guy Chus will be by shortly to provide proof that it isn't true.


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I would be shocked if any of the stuff about school was true. My guy Chus will be by shortly to provide proof that it isn't true.


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It was more of a joke. I liked how when Steve lied about bowling you were able to prove that he was full of shit. I'm confident he's full of shit now.

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I would be shocked if any of the stuff about school was true. My guy Chus will be by shortly to provide proof that it isn't true.


:scratch:


It was more of a joke. I liked how when Steve lied about bowling you were able to prove that he was full of shit. I'm confident he's full of shit now.


If his education history is on the USBC website, I could find it. :lol:

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