Mumps break out at NJ frat house. 8 cases are detected.

http://www.myfoxny.com/story/25281606/8 ... technology

























































All 8 were immunized.

Twice.

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Good stuff BC.

Anyone that has an even basic understanding of science knows that the return had nothing to do with those that are NOT vaccinated.

Our son is not walking around with the virus in him, like the 15% of those who the virus had no effect on are.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healt ... warns.html

Science contradicting the medical community.

Like they say, this is going to be a bigger problem going forward. The only thing bigger will be the solution they come up with to try and solve it.

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I have to believe you are just trolling now. I mean, it's been explained enough that you have to have read it at least once.
Yes, it is. However, the problem is not caused by contradicting the medical community. It is being caused by people ignoring medical advice(including some doctors unfortunately) who either prescribe/use antibiotics way too often or by people who do not finish antibiotic regimens because they "feel better".

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Yeah. Good to see you back Brick.

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30 pages geez. I think there is good reason not to but also good reasons too. we vaccinate but whatever.

i believe one of the problems we have (without 1 lick of research because i don't care) is an influx of illegal immigrants who are at times sick as shit. stop rambling on and on about the small portion of our citizens that don't vaccinate and deal with that issue.

Are you a chas mult?

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i wish.

i want to be anti-vaccine so badly though because of douchebags like bernstein and others who think the science is done and infallible.

Ironically, the "anti-vaccination" people could be 100% right* and it still would be the overwhelming choice to vaccinate every "non-allergic" child in the world. This isn't hyperbole, but vaccines would literally have to be at least a top 10 killer in our country to stop using them.

*-They aren't, even a little bit.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

once again, without doing but a small bit of research and punting to my wife on this issue, i don't think vaccines are doing much harm, but i also am not sure if they are really doing any good either. i guess i just don't think they are as necessary as they are made out to be.

its ironic that one family we are friends with, the husband kind of went off the deepend (he relectantly got their last child its ss number finally) has been against vaccinations. their kids are sick all the damn time.

Seriously?

Don't even read the article if you don't want to. Just look at the big graphic in the middle.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewherper/2014/05/08/the-key-to-surviving-the-new-brutal-world-of-healthcare/

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Yeah ... polio took a fucking long vacation to the south of France or something ... mumps, rubella, all that shit ... just magic, no rhyme nor reason ... certainly not innoculations and vaccinations ... nope no reasonable, rational correlation there ... fucking magnets, how do they work?



It's not ironic, numbnuts ... it's cause and effect.

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We have one child that has never received a vaccination.

His first missed day of school is somewhere on the horizon still.

And my favorite is when vaccination folks pull out polio for an example when stats show it was almost gone when the polio vaccine came out.

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we know other sickly families that are all vaccinated, they just seem to be the most. kids get sick. it stems from many other factors, not just vaccinations. if i remember correctly polio was nearly gone before they even came out with vaccine for it. my statement re: "aren't doing any good either " was too general. i'm all for many vaccinations (tetnus, hep, etc) but there are some that i have a healthy skepticism about. not enough to make me read more about it than say go golfing. basically leaving the door open for me to be like HA SEE? from either side.

At least you're up front about it, and I'll take that.

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ROCHESTER, Minn. - Mayo Clinic researchers announced a landmark study where a massive dose of the measles vaccine, enough to inoculate ten million people, wiped out a Minnesota woman's incurable blood cancer.

The Mayo Clinic conducted the clinical trial last year using virotherapy. The method discovered the measles virus wiped out multiple myeloma cancer calls. Researchers engineered the measles virus (MV-NIS) in a single intravenous dose, making it selectively toxic to cancer cells.

Stacy Erholtz, 49, of Pequot Lakes, was one of two patients in the study who received the dose last year, and after ten years with multiple myeloma has been clear of the disease for over six months.

"My mindset was I didn't have any other options available, so why wouldn't I do it? I had to have failed all conventional treatment to do that trial. That actually happened last March," said Erholtz. "It was the easiest treatment by far with very few side effects. I hope it's the future of treating cancer infusion."

Dr. Steven Russell, a Mayo Clinic hematologist, spearheaded the study and said the concept was previously tested in mice, but never in humans until now.

"It's a huge milestone in that regard," said Russell. "We have known for some time viruses act like a vaccine. If you inject a virus into a tumor you can provoke the immune system to destroy that cancer and other cancers. This is different, it puts the virus into bloodstream, it infects and destroys the cancer, debulks it, and then the immune system can come and mop up the residue."

Two multiple myeloma patients were chosen because they are immune-compromised, and can't fight off the measles before it has time to attack cancer. Both had limited previous exposure to measles, and therefore fewer antibodies to the virus, and essentially had no remaining treatment options. Of the two subjects in the study, Stacy was the only to reach full remission. The other patient's cancer returned after nine months.

Dr. Russell believes it's still a medical milestone, and he hopes his team can one day transform this research into a single shot cure.

"It's like a call to action. It's not just good for our virus. It's good for every virus everybody's developing as a cancer therapy. We know this can happen," said Dr. Russell.

Mayo researchers are also testing the measles virus's effectiveness at fighting ovarian, brain, head and neck cancers and mesothelioma. They are also developing other viruses that seem to have potential to kill cancer cells.

"I think it's just remarkable. Who would have thought?" said Erholtz, who said she returns to the Mayo in June for a check up.

The Mayo is moving immediately into a phase two clinical trial involving more patients with a goal of FDA approval within four years.

Patients interested in the upcoming clinic trial using measles vaccines to treat cancer can inquire here.

http://www.kare11.com/story/news/health/2014/05/14/mayo-clinic-trial-measles-vaccine-multiple-myeloma/9101893/

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It's in Salon.

Call me convinced.

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i'm sure i have a big long rambling post upthread somewhere, but i gotta reiterate the basic message of such a post:

i remember ~10-15yrs ago hearing little media side-stories about how viruses/diseases were mutating because basically all of the population was vaccinated and therefore these diseases/viruses were having a harder time surviving from host to host, so they began to start mutating and becoming resistant to vaccines in order to survive.

on a common sense "yes i'm a layman and a dumbass but i'm not an idiot" level, that makes perfect sense to me. these little organisms do what they have to do in order to survive, and if they can't sweep through the population infecting #s of people en masse, go figure that they'd evolve and adapt in order to survive.

but now that there's an anti-vaccine movement that's $$$ out of the pocket of big pharma and we can't have that, so now these diseases/virus are mutating simply because people DON'T get vaccines. i mean nevermind the fact that these diseases never mutated like this for hundreds-to-thousands of years prior to the existence of vaccines..... now that vaccines are here these things are clearly mutating only because there are people who AREN'T getting vaccinated, obviously. the science is in. [cites some article somewhere that spews the company line]

clearly diseases mutate and evolve into vaccine-resistant superstrains because of those people with no vaccinations.... it has nothing to do with all of the vaccinated people who have the vaccine's antibodies present in their system so, you know, the virus can get to know what the vaccine is about and evolve accordingly to beat it. nope. it's all thanks to those un-vaccinated people!

it's a whole bunch of bullshit that makes no sense..... and if evolved-viruses/diseases are infecting people without vaccines, still, they only mutated because of all the vaccines out there stopping the virus/disease dead in its tracks and in order to survive (a lifeform's strongest urge/core-need) it mutated and then the mutated vaccine-resistant superstrain prolly had an easier time with the people who would have been affected by the original strain, let alone superstrain.

but yeah, hey, en masse we're a society of good little idiots who obey what the magic box in our living rooms tells us, so i guess i shouldn't expect people to don their critical thinking caps and think for themselves in a common sense way. it's way easier to believe in teh altruism coming from that box/slab in your living room.

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The stats are directly from the CDC, so that is just silly. Denial aint just a river in Egypt.

Here are other links:







I'm sorry that I couldn't find one from Fox News.

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I think you are on to something here.

Especially when you consider that the Salon article mentions that the disease is being brought back from other countries. And it's infecting folks that were immunized.

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Seacrest, you're my guy, but I'm getting so sick of this response in regards to any topic. It's so illogical. The writer of an article is irrelevant if the stats and argument are solid. It is our job as readers to determine whether the stats are legit or are being used for an agenda. These stats are legit. The "look at the source" defense is intellectually lazy and is often used when one has no rebuttal. Fox News is the most embarrassing source of news there is, but I don't dismiss what they say solely because it's Fox News. I usually dismiss it because they are making shit up or using stats that are twisted for an agenda.

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I remember yesterday hearing these two stories.
Many children are starving.
Many children are obese.

How can that be? Are you saying that organisms can be complex enough to have two seemingly opposite problems?

Also, I believe what you are really thinking about is mutations causing antibiotic resistance and not so much mutations causing vaccine resistance. Antibiotic resistance is a bigger problem and is mostly due to the same type of people "making their own decisions" and not following simple science and simple directions. It's also partly just how things are. I mean, vaccines and antibiotics don't claim to be 100% effective, and realistically, it doesn't matter if they are.

No, they mutate as expected and just by dumb luck they can mutate in a way that makes the vaccine less effective. That is why total suppression is so important. It lessens the environment of mutation. It also makes it less likely that those who either can't get vaccinated, or don't get full protection from a vaccination get it. Total number of people who have it going down = less chance of mutations that could be serious.

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Being a smart ass leash. And you raise a significant point when it's done. So I went and read each link and listened to the reports also.

There are different numbers and percentages given in each posted link.

Ninety percent of all measles cases reported in the U.S. were among people who were not vaccinated or whose vaccination status was unknown.

They are not even sure who was vaccinated and who was not. And 2/3 of the cases are among the Amish who live in Ohio.

Time reports it's the most since 1994. Another site claims it's the most since 1996.

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https://screen.yahoo.com/comedy-central ... 00792.html



An Outbreak of Liberal Idiocy

Samantha Bee discovers an epidemic of science denial coming not from conservative climate change skeptics but from educated, upper middle class liberals.

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Not really vaccination related but...what do you guys think about the Justina Pelletier case.