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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:29 am 
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Any people - Puerto Rican, Black, White, Chinese - who are extremely rough-hewn and uneducated cannot be reasoned with, and must thereby be avoided, for survival's sake.

Not sure about that.


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To break a stereotype, all you have to do is INDIVIDUALLY break the stereotype. People who complain about and are bothered by stereotypes should get off their ass and start proving to motherfuckers that the the stereotype does not apply to them. Nas, you accomplished this a long time ago, and your race is a non-issue to anyone who really knows you.

Im not trying to be a dick but what FF said is right. It sounds like you're saying he's "one of the good ones"

And the last sentence- So, prior to Nas breaking the stereotype the race was an issue?


I think you might have just worded a few things wrong here Panther.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
Q.Bovifs wrote:
Any people - Puerto Rican, Black, White, Chinese - who are extremely rough-hewn and uneducated cannot be reasoned with, and must thereby be avoided, for survival's sake.

Not sure about that.


Q.Bovifs wrote:

To break a stereotype, all you have to do is INDIVIDUALLY break the stereotype. People who complain about and are bothered by stereotypes should get off their ass and start proving to motherfuckers that the the stereotype does not apply to them. Nas, you accomplished this a long time ago, and your race is a non-issue to anyone who really knows you.

Im not trying to be a dick but what FF said is right. It sounds like you're saying he's "one of the good ones"

And the last sentence- So, prior to Nas breaking the stereotype the race was an issue?


I think you might have just worded a few things wrong here Panther.


I knew you be along to help Panther "handle" the situation. HOFer there.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:34 am 
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I cant really tell what's real and what's not here.


I truly dont believe Panther meant that how it came out. But some people love the post I guess. Maybe its me


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rogers park bryan wrote:
I cant really tell what's real and what's not here.


I truly dont believe Panther meant that how it came out. But some people love the post I guess. Maybe its me


Let Spider speak for himself.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
I cant really tell what's real and what's not here.


I truly dont believe Panther meant that how it came out. But some people love the post I guess. Maybe its me


Let Spider speak for himself.

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I'm sure I'm not the only one who can't wait to hear Panther's thoughts on interracial marriage.

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Q.Bovifs wrote:
...yes, I pick and choose my meals a la carte when it comes to stereotypes. I make you disprove them. I'm sorry, but the pressure's on YOU, not me, for stereotypes that pertain to you. I don't give myself or particular ethnicity a free pass, either. If I know of a particular predisposed line of thinking about myself, my family, whatever heritage we hail from, I love the challenge of showing people that it does not apply to me or mine. I must be convinced before I will give someone, anyone the benefit of the doubt - if for nothing but strict survival.
Care to provide a list of the stereotypes you believe are accurate?

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Wow. Touch em all Panther . :salut: :salut:


All we need is RFDC and Douchebag to Panther his usual shout out and the thread will be complete.

A Hall of Fame post from a board HOFer right there.

The selection committee may be re-evaluating its criteria.

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I treat people well, I have very good judgment,


Do you really think you can find anyone out there who doesn't say the same things about themselves? :lol:

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:58 am 
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I love how everybody has this right vs. wrong handbook on how to speak about and handle shit like this. They can fuck right off. I treat people well, I have very good judgment, and when I make a judgment call on whether someone is good or bad, I am pretty comfortable with it.

I apologize if I am not toeing whatever line that whatever other person does, but I HATE nobody, I assail nobody, but, yes, I pick and choose my meals a la carte when it comes to stereotypes. I make you disprove them. I'm sorry, but the pressure's on YOU, not me, for stereotypes that pertain to you. I don't give myself or particular ethnicity a free pass, either. If I know of a particular predisposed line of thinking about myself, my family, whatever heritage we hail from, I love the challenge of showing people that it does not apply to me or mine. I must be convinced before I will give someone, anyone the benefit of the doubt - if for nothing but strict survival. I am responsible for my own self-preservation and for that of my family, and I stand by nobody's judgment but my own, however, if there is any reason for caution, I heed it until I know that I can confidently discard it.

If anyone has a problem with that, the individuals who are stigmatized should start changing for the better, and then all the stereotypes will be positive.

I really don't give a fuck what Mr. IHaveAllTheAnswersAtAge25 FavreFan or Mr. IPussiedOutFromJoiningTheSeminaryButI'mGonnaPreachAnyways Seacrest thinks.

I just stay away from anyone who might not have my best interests in mind, until I have deemed them acceptable to commingle with. There are NO FREE PASSES.

Notice I have not attended a CSFMB function in over 4 years???

You are one of the top maybe 3 misogynists on the board. Also, your response to will provide copious evidence affirming this.

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Wow. Panther with a "I'm a proud racist" manifesto. Good job.

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Q.Bovifs wrote:
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Wow. Panther with a "I'm a proud racist" manifesto. Good job.

I'm not an anything-"ist".

I just make decisions for myself. There are good people, and then there are bad people. I don't see how you didn't get my point that you have to look at the individual to make an actual determination as to whether someone is good or bad.
No, you literally are saying you are a proud racist. I mean, literally as in the actual definition of literally too.

That is why you refused to answer Zippy's very good question.

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You are one of the top maybe 3 misogynists on the board. Also, your response to will provide copious evidence affirming this.

I like to give headstrong women shit and get them discombobulated. Likely because my mother is a very headstrong woman who gave us a lot of shit growing up.


Are you a headstrong man?

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Q.Bovifs wrote:
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Telegram Sam wrote:
You are one of the top maybe 3 misogynists on the board. Also, your response to will provide copious evidence affirming this.

I like to give headstrong women shit and get them discombobulated. Likely because my mother is a very headstrong woman who gave us a lot of shit growing up.

Are you a headstrong man?

Do you use Head & Shoulders?


I'll let someone else come up with that punchline.

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Q.Bovifs wrote:
Zippy's question is silly. I don't think of stereotypes as distinct things. To guess is to be wrong.
What?

Already with the backtracking?

Q.Bovifs wrote:
To break a stereotype, all you have to do is INDIVIDUALLY break the stereotype. People who complain about and are bothered by stereotypes should get off their ass and start proving to motherfuckers that the the stereotype does not apply to them. Nas, you accomplished this a long time ago, and your race is a non-issue to anyone who really knows you.


What black stereotype did he break?

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I apologize if I am not toeing whatever line that whatever other person does, but I HATE nobody, I assail nobody, but, yes, I pick and choose my meals a la carte when it comes to stereotypes. I make you disprove them.


Just accept that you are a proud racist. That is what your post said.

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My phone is too slow to watch the. the video .... but I'm assuming a white guy got jumped by black guys... wrong , clearly ..but hardly on a riot level as a cop shooting a guy dead with 6shots.

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Q.Bovifs wrote:
I love how everybody has this right vs. wrong handbook on how to speak about and handle shit like this. They can fuck right off. I treat people well, I have very good judgment, and when I make a judgment call on whether someone is good or bad, I am pretty comfortable with it.

I apologize if I am not toeing whatever line that whatever other person does, but I HATE nobody, I assail nobody, but, yes, I pick and choose my meals a la carte when it comes to stereotypes. I make you disprove them. I'm sorry, but the pressure's on YOU, not me, for stereotypes that pertain to you. I don't give myself or particular ethnicity a free pass, either. If I know of a particular predisposed line of thinking about myself, my family, whatever heritage we hail from, I love the challenge of showing people that it does not apply to me or mine. I must be convinced before I will give someone, anyone the benefit of the doubt - if for nothing but strict survival. I am responsible for my own self-preservation and for that of my family, and I stand by nobody's judgment but my own, however, if there is any reason for caution, I heed it until I know that I can confidently discard it.

If anyone has a problem with that, the individuals who are stigmatized should start changing for the better, and then all the stereotypes will be positive.

I really don't give a fuck what Mr. IHaveAllTheAnswersAtAge25 FavreFan or Mr. IPussiedOutFromJoiningTheSeminaryButI'mGonnaPreachAnyways Seacrest thinks.

I just stay away from anyone who might not have my best interests in mind, until I have deemed them acceptable to commingle with. There are NO FREE PASSES.

Notice I have not attended a CSFMB function in over 4 years???


It is not someone else's job to cure your (the plural your) ignorance.

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Nas wrote:
People should be comfortable when they go home." It was an honest statement. The idea of living next to a black person (regardless of what type of person or family it is) makes some/many uncomfortable or it makes them afraid. They feel safer around people who look and talk like them. I completely understand that feeling. It's probably a natural feeling.

The issue I had with the statement is the person who made it and many people who say similar things are rarely if ever around a black person. They didn't grow up around any. Didn't go to school with any. Don't work with any but they still have these strong feelings. Some may have had a bad experience or know someone who had one and after reading or watching the news they believe that all black people are the same way.



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Also, I think it is more about fear than abject hate. The "dangerous" black people that would make Danny Bernstein shit his pants are the ones you described earlier who hate and resent white people just because. THAT type of shit leads to the proverbial vicious circle of fear. Any people - Puerto Rican, Black, White, Chinese - who are extremely rough-hewn and uneducated cannot be reasoned with, and must thereby be avoided, for survival's sake. When you have less, you become an opportunist - you have to to survive - and when you see easy pickings, they must be picked. A white dude riding his bike through the southeast side in the middle of the day is going to have a fair to middling chance of being fucked with - you would agree, no?


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Q.Bovifs wrote:
I love how everybody has this right vs. wrong handbook on how to speak about and handle shit like this. They can fuck right off. I treat people well, I have very good judgment, and when I make a judgment call on whether someone is good or bad, I am pretty comfortable with it.

I apologize if I am not toeing whatever line that whatever other person does, but I HATE nobody, I assail nobody, but, yes, I pick and choose my meals a la carte when it comes to stereotypes. I make you disprove them. I'm sorry, but the pressure's on YOU, not me, for stereotypes that pertain to you. I don't give myself or particular ethnicity a free pass, either. If I know of a particular predisposed line of thinking about myself, my family, whatever heritage we hail from, I love the challenge of showing people that it does not apply to me or mine. I must be convinced before I will give someone, anyone the benefit of the doubt - if for nothing but strict survival. I am responsible for my own self-preservation and for that of my family, and I stand by nobody's judgment but my own, however, if there is any reason for caution, I heed it until I know that I can confidently discard it.

If anyone has a problem with that, the individuals who are stigmatized should start changing for the better, and then all the stereotypes will be positive.

I really don't give a fuck what Mr. IHaveAllTheAnswersAtAge25 FavreFan or Mr. IPussiedOutFromJoiningTheSeminaryButI'mGonnaPreachAnyways Seacrest thinks.

I just stay away from anyone who might not have my best interests in mind, until I have deemed them acceptable to commingle with. There are NO FREE PASSES.

Notice I have not attended a CSFMB function in over 4 years???

You are one of the top maybe 3 misogynists on the board. Also, your response to will provide copious evidence affirming this.


pm spmack the other two

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My phone is too slow to watch the. the video .... but I'm assuming a white guy got jumped by black guys... wrong , clearly ..but hardly on a riot level as a cop shooting a guy dead with 6shots.

Yep they tickled him to death!

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I can't believe that there is such a lack of positive reinforcement for those who actively bust through stereotypes.

It really bewilders me.

It seems as if all the energy and attention is focused on negative reinforcement of those who apply simple pattern recognition, thereby subjecting them to the whole "one bad apple spoils the whole bunch" philosophy that the critics were railing against in the first place!
You are talking about stereotypes, which you don't consider to be "distinct things", like they are distinct things.

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Yes. After all, it is simple pattern recognition.

So, give us a few examples as Zippy requested.

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I am not interested in creating a silly laundry list on Zippy's or your command, or engaging as a stooge in some sort of persecutory cross-examination, so, however I addressed the query thus far shall stand as my response.
You seemed proud of it earlier. Why aren't you any more?
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Give me a few examples of why you badger so much without actually contributing anything of substance besides sheer annoyance? Are you going to offer anything of use in the actual discussion at hand, or are you just going to nitpick the posts of others for a quick, cheap snack?
It isn't nitpicking. Your point is that it is the right thing to do to stereotype a group of people and then force the individual members to disprove it. I disagree. Even if you do have a stereotype of a group you should never force the individual to go and disprove it in order to meet your approval.

I take your non-answer as confirmation that you won't stand behind your beliefs here.

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You like to frame things the way you like, in order to make a good show, but you can just go back and read what I typed.
I'm asking you to frame things how you want. Your point is that you choose to believe in stereotypes and then make the person disprove them. I, like Zippy, simply want an example of this. You were so proud of this point beforehand but why won't you simply give an example?

A few sentences later you said that you must be convinced this stereotype is not true before you will gave anyone the benefit of the doubt.

Don't try and turn this around on me like I'm treating you unfairly. You have an easy way to say exactly what you mean and then I don't have to "frame things" in any way. The fact that you won't name even one stereotype you force people to prove themselves against shows that.

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When something is obvious, I feel there is no need to belabor things with an "example". Anyone with a cerebellum knows what I am talking about, and, unfortunately, that may include you.
I'm dumb. Educate me.

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Q.Bovifs wrote:
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When something is obvious, I feel there is no need to belabor things with an "example". Anyone with a cerebellum knows what I am talking about, and, unfortunately, that may include you.
I'm dumb. Educate me.

See my edit for clarification, Mr. Nit.
I must have missed the stereotypes about Nas. Can you restate them or quote them?

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Sure.

Here's a cite: See This Thread.

There ya go, buddy!
I looked but I don't see any examples. Are you a liar? I think you are a liar if you say that you actually provided examples. Make me look dumb by showing them please.

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