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McCown would've had them by more points so that last play wouldn't have mattered

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McCown would've had them by more points so that last play wouldn't have mattered

Are you clarifying his point or agreeing with it or both?

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McCown would've had them by more points so that last play wouldn't have mattered

Are you clarifying his point or agreeing with it or both?

Well I can't pretend to know the mind of a jimmypasta, sir. Im just scoreheading.

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Well I can't pretend to know the mind of a jimmypasta, sir. Im just scoreheading.

Ah. Quite.

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I think looking at the way Cutler was performing in the 2nd year with Martz it is only reasonable to expect him to also improve in Year 2 under Trestman. They still have a lot of weapons around him and Ford and Wilson will be incorporated in the offense next season.

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I think looking at the way Cutler was performing in the 2nd year with Martz it is only reasonable to expect him to also improve in Year 2 under Trestman. They still have a lot of weapons around him and Ford and Wilson will be incorporated in the offense next season.

:lol: Yeah Ford and Wilson will get a ton of balls thrown their way. Ask Martellus .

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I think looking at the way Cutler was performing in the 2nd year with Martz it is only reasonable to expect him to also improve in Year 2 under Trestman. They still have a lot of weapons around him and Ford and Wilson will be incorporated in the offense next season.

:lol: Yeah Ford and Wilson will get a ton of balls thrown their way. Ask Martellus .


He likes Wilson. I understand your point though. I think he'll spread the ball around more. I don't expect Marshall to make it through another season either.

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This deal is insanely stupid, i am real disappointed in emery. any bears fan celebrating this is a fucking moron .


not true. you werent going to get anyone else. you have to pay what the market demands.

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No jimmy, i thought you n i were in agreement that cutty is not good.

ike- i expect cutty to get hurt n throw picks routinely for the next 3 years until he's cut...i think he's average @ best n can't improve .

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Nothing has changed...Cutler is nothing special ..now he's just the most overpaid player in the NFL .

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Sun Times article brought it all crashing home today. He's guaranteed 58 million for the next 36 months of work. :lol: :cry:

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This deal is insanely stupid, i am real disappointed in emery. any bears fan celebrating this is a fucking moron .


not true. you werent going to get anyone else. you have to pay what the market demands.


Not true. In todays NFL, stud QB's are drafted and start right away. Wilson and Kaep did it. This year was a great year for QB's.

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Sun Times article brought it all crashing home today. He's guaranteed 58 million for the next 36 months of work. :lol: :cry:

You killed my buzz you mother.

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Anyone expecting Cutler to improve is going to be heartbroken.

He is a chump who is satisfied with a huge contract and a popular team.

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Sun Times article brought it all crashing home today. He's guaranteed 58 million for the next 36 months of work. :lol: :cry:
Compare the contract of Cutler to that of Kaepernick and then start drinking.

They can cut him at any time unless he is injured, and even that has a $20 million insurance policy on it bought by Kaepernick payable to the 49ers.
$13 million for 1 year.
$28 million for 2 years.
$44 million for 3 years.

Also, starting in 2015, those number go down by $2 million a season if he doesn't get them to a Super Bowl or be a first or second team all pro.

The difference between the contracts is scary, especially since Kaep is a better quarterback too.

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I don't really care what he is making. I am not going to fault a guy for getting paid. If the Bears didn't give him all of that guaranteed $, some other team would have. I just want him to play better and get this team to the playoffs.

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I don't really care what he is making. I am not going to fault a guy for getting paid. If the Bears didn't give him all of that guaranteed $, some other team would have. I just want him to play better and get this team to the playoffs.
No, you should care a lot. In reality, it is the worst part about him being our quarterback. His level of play would be more than acceptable at half the price just like Carson Palmer.

This is on the Bears though. You can't blame Cutler for taking the money though it does increase the pressure on him to provide that value to the team.

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So the Bears could have spent their money better. BFD. They threw away how many millions on bad backup RBs, Manumaleuna, Arculetta, etc over the years.

Again, I want him to play better. I don't care if he's making $40 million or $400,000 this season. If the Bears win a Super Bowl in the next 3 years, then this Cutler deal becomes worth every penny.

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So the Bears could have spent their money better. BFD. They threw away how many millions on bad backup RBs, Manumaleuna, Arculetta, etc over the years.
It is a big deal though. It's a salary cap league. Why are you saying it isn't a big deal? The Kaepernick deal makes it clear the Bears made a serious mistake in the structure of the deal. The Dalton deal was done in a similar fashion too, and those are younger qbs.
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If the Bears win a Super Bowl in the next 3 years, then this Cutler deal becomes worth every penny.
It's going to be significantly harder to win the Super Bowl with this deal though. Of course winning a Super Bowl makes every move look pretty good but that doesn't change anything today.

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Not necessarily because of this deal. Its because of poor drafting under Angelo for years, and (so far) not the best defensive drafting under Emery that is making it significantly harder to win a Super Bowl.

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Rick Morrissey nailed it today:

The Bears have always treated Jay Cutler as something more than he is.

From his first training camp in 2009, when team officials referred to him as “No. 6’’ in reverent tones, to the ton of guaranteed money the Bears gave him in January, you’d think he was No. 12 — Tom Brady.

The franchise has told us over and over again that Cutler possesses special skills that allow him to do things most other quarterbacks can’t do, things, they say, Brett Favre used to do. The next person who compares Cutler to Favre needs his head introduced to a wasp nest. It’s an insult to Favre, who actually won a Super Bowl and is headed to the Hall of Fame.

Perhaps Cutler does have special skills, but they’re in the hands of someone who doesn’t use them properly. The body does what the brain tells it to do, and Cutler’s brain keeps saying, “Nobody challenges Jay Cutler’s arm!’’ instead of, “You know what? I should probably throw the ball away so my team can live for another play.’’

He is not special, and it’s time the Bears stopped treating him as if he were. At this stage of his career, he shouldn’t be making the mistake he made in the Bears’ brutal loss to the Bills in the season opener Sunday. Rolling right and trying to throw a pass across your body into the middle of the field is suicide. Problem is, the suicide killed his team, with a 303-pound defensive tackle picking off Cutler’s silly pass. It’s very possible Kyle Williams didn’t even know what a football felt like until the pass came his way.

The team studied the tape Monday, and Cutler owned up to his mistake.

“Jay just said, ‘I’ve got to take care of the football. I’ve got to throw it away,’ ’’ coach Marc Trestman said.

Rather than having to go through the cleansing ritual of fessing up, how about not making the same mistake over and over again?

“I see how hard he works and the time he puts into it,’’ Trestman said. “He lost himself for a minute, made a decision I know we’ve seen other great quarterbacks make.’’

The fiction in that statement is that Cutler is a great quarterback. As long as the Bears treat him as one, there’s no reason for him to change.

After not making the playoffs last season, they basically cornered themselves into giving Cutler a seven-year, $126.7 million contract, with $54 million guaranteed. They needed to rebuild an awful defense, which meant they needed stability on offense. One game into the season, Phil Emery’s defensive restocking looks like a bust in progress. And if Cutler offers stability, then so does a fault line.

It feels a little silly to get this worked up after one game, and in a vacuum, I guess it is silly. But this is Cutler’s sixth season in Chicago, and watching him has been like watching someone jump up and down on a trampoline. My head hurts. The Bears keep saying we’re concentrating too much on the low points. Look at that arm! they say. Stop suggesting that the bad decisions can’t be coached out of him, as I did to Trestman on Monday, they say.

“I’ve seen Jay do a lot of really good things with the football, so I don’t know what that means,’’ Trestman said. “Everybody has their own perspective, and they’re entitled to it, but the time I’ve been with him, he’s made a lot of really good decisions, and I haven’t seen much of this go on. There was a tipped ball last year.’’

It was hard to shake the feeling that all of the uplifting words were meant solely for Cutler’s emotional well-being, for his self-esteem. Everyone at Halas Hall seems scared to death to send him into a pouty shell, fearing the effect it would have on the entire team. I ask you: Would it be worse than losing in overtime to the lowly Bills because of an awful fourth-quarter decision by the quarterback?

With the Bears, any criticism of players is purportedly offered behind closed doors. Cutler has a career that is all over the place in terms of performance, but you’d never know it listening to his blue-and-orange defenders. You’d certainly never know it from his huge contract.

He’s 31. He isn’t changing, folks. You’re stuck with him, all of him — the powerful throws, the mind-blowing interceptions. Enjoy.

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Rick Morrissey nailed it today:

The Bears have always treated Jay Cutler as something more than he is.

From his first training camp in 2009, when team officials referred to him as “No. 6’’ in reverent tones, to the ton of guaranteed money the Bears gave him in January, you’d think he was No. 12 — Tom Brady.

The franchise has told us over and over again that Cutler possesses special skills that allow him to do things most other quarterbacks can’t do, things, they say, Brett Favre used to do. The next person who compares Cutler to Favre needs his head introduced to a wasp nest. It’s an insult to Favre, who actually won a Super Bowl and is headed to the Hall of Fame.

Perhaps Cutler does have special skills, but they’re in the hands of someone who doesn’t use them properly. The body does what the brain tells it to do, and Cutler’s brain keeps saying, “Nobody challenges Jay Cutler’s arm!’’ instead of, “You know what? I should probably throw the ball away so my team can live for another play.’’

He is not special, and it’s time the Bears stopped treating him as if he were. At this stage of his career, he shouldn’t be making the mistake he made in the Bears’ brutal loss to the Bills in the season opener Sunday. Rolling right and trying to throw a pass across your body into the middle of the field is suicide. Problem is, the suicide killed his team, with a 303-pound defensive tackle picking off Cutler’s silly pass. It’s very possible Kyle Williams didn’t even know what a football felt like until the pass came his way.

The team studied the tape Monday, and Cutler owned up to his mistake.

“Jay just said, ‘I’ve got to take care of the football. I’ve got to throw it away,’ ’’ coach Marc Trestman said.

Rather than having to go through the cleansing ritual of fessing up, how about not making the same mistake over and over again?

“I see how hard he works and the time he puts into it,’’ Trestman said. “He lost himself for a minute, made a decision I know we’ve seen other great quarterbacks make.’’

The fiction in that statement is that Cutler is a great quarterback. As long as the Bears treat him as one, there’s no reason for him to change.

After not making the playoffs last season, they basically cornered themselves into giving Cutler a seven-year, $126.7 million contract, with $54 million guaranteed. They needed to rebuild an awful defense, which meant they needed stability on offense. One game into the season, Phil Emery’s defensive restocking looks like a bust in progress. And if Cutler offers stability, then so does a fault line.

It feels a little silly to get this worked up after one game, and in a vacuum, I guess it is silly. But this is Cutler’s sixth season in Chicago, and watching him has been like watching someone jump up and down on a trampoline. My head hurts. The Bears keep saying we’re concentrating too much on the low points. Look at that arm! they say. Stop suggesting that the bad decisions can’t be coached out of him, as I did to Trestman on Monday, they say.

“I’ve seen Jay do a lot of really good things with the football, so I don’t know what that means,’’ Trestman said. “Everybody has their own perspective, and they’re entitled to it, but the time I’ve been with him, he’s made a lot of really good decisions, and I haven’t seen much of this go on. There was a tipped ball last year.’’

It was hard to shake the feeling that all of the uplifting words were meant solely for Cutler’s emotional well-being, for his self-esteem. Everyone at Halas Hall seems scared to death to send him into a pouty shell, fearing the effect it would have on the entire team. I ask you: Would it be worse than losing in overtime to the lowly Bills because of an awful fourth-quarter decision by the quarterback?

With the Bears, any criticism of players is purportedly offered behind closed doors. Cutler has a career that is all over the place in terms of performance, but you’d never know it listening to his blue-and-orange defenders. You’d certainly never know it from his huge contract.

He’s 31. He isn’t changing, folks. You’re stuck with him, all of him — the powerful throws, the mind-blowing interceptions. Enjoy.


This post is so fucking full of win.

This team fucking sucks.

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If Cutler stays the 85ish RTG, sometimes great, more often times reckless QB we've come to know and tolerate, this deal is the wrong move right?


Yes, if he gets worse this is a bad deal.

People throwing up their arms at the thought of him improving at this point seem to ignore that he improved THIS YEAR. So, he's already improved in the 1st year of this offense.

If he's not consistently in the 92-95+ rating area, then this isn't a great deal. He was over 90 in 7 of 10 games this year. So, you would think familiarity would improve these numbers.
His improvement was marginal at best, and mostly had to do with a hot start in part because of a lack of scouting of the new offense.

He must become elite or near elite for this to be a good deal. He has to play better than he ever has for it even to be considered good to decent.


I totally agree with those last 2 sentences.
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Cutler played pretty well last season but the fact remains he is 7-9 in his last 16 starts.

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He must become elite or near elite for this to be a good deal. He has to play better than he ever has for it even to be considered good to decent.


I totally agree with those last 2 sentences.
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He has played better than ever. He has the best rating of his career by far.

He's firmly in the near-elite realm at this point.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
He has played better than ever. He has the best rating of his career by far.
He did roughly the same thing last year too.
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No. Besides total touchdowns, he rarely cracks the top 10 in any category.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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He must become elite or near elite for this to be a good deal. He has to play better than he ever has for it even to be considered good to decent.


I totally agree with those last 2 sentences.
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He has played better than ever. He has the best rating of his career by far.

He's firmly in the near-elite realm at this point.

:lol: He's not even close to elite. An elite QB would've won that game yesterday.

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I guess there's like a dozen elite QBs in the league.

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An elite QB would've won that game yesterday.
Elite QBs have lost games when their RB fumbles late in the 4th quarter, and special teams gives up a punt return TD.

I am not defending Cutler, but saying that an elite QB for sure would have won that game yesterday is false. There is lots of blame to go around with the debacle yesterday.

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