Are you fucking serious? Holy shit, your blinders are thick.

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The articles had actual statistics and doctors. It confuses pittmike when his news isn't from two misogynist cracking jokes about domestic abuse.

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Comment how the science is settled.... http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/08/repor ... 15-months/

Again, I give a shit about fracking. I have no investment. Just show me more than what Chus put as far as a reason to stop. Even the US government is not halting. They are studying.

Lastly, Yale impresses no one. It gave you all W.

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You have quoted one of the 0.002% who deny that our climate is changing. And to think, you were questioning my links.



Bush and Cheney set the fracking standards in this country. The fact that Obama hasn't done more to stop this, is something that bothers me tremendously.



You do science. Where did you go to school, since Yale doesn't impress you?

W wasn't part of any scientific study group. He was fifth or sixth generation, who got in on his name. He was a cheerleader, who barely attended classes. Awful example.

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I don't think anyone denies climate change. I think the issue is anthropogenic climate change.

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I think the issue is that no one argues that we can do things to accommodate fracking or global warming concerns.

The problem is those on the left are so fucking fanatical that they would kill all economic growth and be all oh save the earth.

I provided proof earth has not warmed (for a cycle) but completely dismissed as garbage. by Chus.

The problem with the left is lets believe everything they say and everything "we" say is garbage crazy Sarah Palin make fun of it on Saturday Night Live (no one watches) Fox news crap.

Anyway they sleep better at night.... Their Volt made the big difference.

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You provided nothing.

The headline of that article says:

Report: No Global Warming For 215 Months

The third paragraph of that article says:

the rate of warming has been half of what climate scientists initially predicted in the early 1990s.

So, it has been warming. Yeah, you showed me.


Where did you go to college? I would like to know where you learned to do science.

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For you maybe. And even that's myopic on your part.

But there are millions of voting Uh-Meriicuns who deny it and will fight to the death (not the corporate, but foolishly their own) to deny it.

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Obviously the climate changes. This whole region was carved out by glaciers. If climate change never happened we'd be under a couple hundred feet of ice.
I think some people, like maybe Gore, expect climate homeostasis which is insane.

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1998 was the hottest year on record. That article Mike linked is doing nothing but playing the shell game. How can he do science, yet fail to understand this chart?

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Oh hyperbolic one, exactly what area of the sciences do you work in?

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But his republican/libertarian opponents claim that the human existence (& the industrial revolution) has no effect, which is wildly more insane.

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I'm somewhere between no effect and catastrophic effect...
The models have nearly all failed so far. In my opinion that's clear evidence that the science still needs some work.
Warming has stalled since 2000 or so. Is it because of changes in the ocean currents? Do greenhouse gasses have less effect that hypothesized? Are other factors at play that weren't considered such as solar output?
Our sun is increasing it's solar output. It's the natural life cycle of the sun. That certainly will have long term effects. Shorter term 11 and 7 year solar cycles also have effects. The variables are nearly infinite.
Does man have an effect on the earth. Clearly. Global climate? Maybe.
I'm willing to say I don't know. I wish more people would say I don't know before making grand proclamations.

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But one of your posts started out with you stating that you don't think anyone denies climate change. Now you're willing to say you don't know. Pick a lane.

You take more, and more definitive positions than most and provide cover for many less enlightened. And then you moderate them. Consider your own role in the debate, that's all I ask.

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What are you talking about?
I absolutely believe in climate change. I'm perfectly clear on that. Again. There is climate change. The climate had been changing since the moment the earth formed and will continue to do so until the sun runs out of hydrogen and expands into a red giant and vaporizes the earth.
I'm saying that I don't believe the science is settled on anthropogenic climate change. For how settled this science is, for the 99% agreement that some claim.... Their predictions failed. They were wrong... or there were factors that they didn't consider or understand. The "consensus" is incorrect.
That's not saying that man doesn't have an effect on the climate. I don't know how much. There are obviously many other factors they missed forming the consensus.

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You proved it. This data is from NASA, so go ahead and dismiss it. The gov't wouldn't lie about fracking, so they wouldn't lie about this, right?

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2 ... ng-edition

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Like I said, pick a lane. Or at least stop trying to obfuscate.

Edit: the "anthropogenic" argument is beneath you intellectually.

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I really don't get what you're saying. I'm not denying climate change at all.
Maybe you don't understand what I'm saying. I'll try again I guess.
I do not deny climate change. I firmly believe that the climate of the Earth has in the past and forever will continue to change.
I am not sold as of yet on anthropogenic climate change. As in man made climate change.
I've never wavered from this for the years I've been posting a bout it and reading about it

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Excuse me?

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Seriously?

The chemicals and refuse we've been pouring into the environment since the mid 1800s have no effect? The deforestation and denuding of the environment has no effect? The massive explosion in population and agricultural (i.e. Monsanto and other) drain has no effect in your book?

Why not?

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I'm not saying there's no effect. I've never said that. Why is it that if you don't swallow the whole story people start calling you a luddite?
Are you being antagonistic or did you really read my thought and what you got from all that is that I think there is no effect on the planet from man made pollution?
I'm not sure how to be more clear. I'll try again. Last time I'll try.
I'm between no effect and catastrophic effect (saying man certainly has an effect but the extent of which is a matter of dispute in my opinion)
Climate change is real. Always has been. It always will be
I'm not sold on the "consensus" as the models they've produced have missed. To men that is clear evidence that there are variables that have not been considered or have weighed in too heavily. More research is needed.

This is not, or at least should not be a political issue. It should be a scientific issue. The minute politics are injected is the moment that impartiality goes out the window and corrupts the data.

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Darkside, when you begin a post from a faulty premise like "I don't think anyone denies climate change", it's problematic.

When you question man's effect on the environment between 0, no I'm sorry "one" & 100 percent you stake out no ground from which to reasonably hold a discourse. But the fundamental effect is that you continue to hold the ground for the absolutist deniers.

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Fine.

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What you said was fine.

I generally like you, Mike, but your thoughts on biases and Fox news are unreal. The fact that you continually defend a station that most people think of as a cartoon network is beyond belief.

I've gotten to the point where if someone quotes Fox News or someone on Fox News, our discussion is pretty much over. It's not even worth discussing at this point. Comparing people who believe in climate change to Sarah Palin really speaks volumes about your credibility.

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Someone brings up Fox and you shut it down? Scared of opposing viewpoints and letting your own biases dictate your thoughts?

Ouch, I thought you were above all that?

I give you credit for being intelligent sometimes. Your economics thoughts are often spot-on. And then you post things like this. Fox News is not a viewpoint. It's a joke. It'd be like quoting Sesame Street.

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I would love to hear Oscar's thoughts on climate change. I mean, he does live outside, in a garbage can. And he is probably smarter than Sarah Palin.

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Sounds like we are changing the oil market, scaring the guys who were taking advantage of being able to make their own prices, putting the screws to Russia, and really helping our own economy! Thanks Republicans!

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