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Pajamas and sweatpants are bad enough. That's the point. You draw the line at jockstraps. I just draw it a little higher. I'm not requesting that Frank wear his tuxedo, although it would be fine if he did and certainly more respectful than dressing like a homeless bum.
I'm drawing the line at what is just normal. I don't see many guys dressed in jock straps at my local Subway. I do see plenty in shorts and a t-shirt.


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Maybe not for a big wig engineer like you. But flying is still special for a lot of people. Sadly, most of them treat it like they are reclining on their couches.
Flying is not a special occasion. It's a mode of transportation. I fly more often than I ride a bus.


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I don't get my fashion tips at Subway.
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I don't get my fashion tips at Subway.
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It has nothing to do with manners. Wearing shorts, a shirt, and gym shoes should not be offensive to anyone. And if it is, fuck that person. Problem is with them. It's not our responsibility to make sure those around us aren't offended by stupid shit.



Why do you think you get to speak for others on what they should and shouldn't find offensive? Ditka doesn't think anyone should find "Redskins" offensive. That opinion is just as valid as what you just typed. And it's a recipe for a shit society, if you could call it a society at all. I'm gonna do what I want and if you don't like it, FUCK YOU! It's your problem.

Ha! You're the same guy that agreed with us before on the dangers of a society where everybody gets to decide for themselves what's offensive and forcing the rest of society to act accordingly. So WYC Joe?

I'm not speaking for others here, just myself. I'm not telling you to not be offended by someone wearing shorts and a t shirt. I'm saying you deserve to be laughed and mocked for that type of silly thought. Just like I would mock someone who is "offended" by gay marriage. Be offended by whatever you want, just don't expect others to change their behavior if they aren't actually doing anything wrong.


There are few things that offend me. I'm not offended by shorts and a t-shirt on a plane. I just think it coarsens what is already an unpleasant experience.

That's understandable. What is not understandable, IMO, is when you move to thinking lesser of that person or think that wearing that outfit constitutes being "rude". Reclining might be rude. I really dont fly enough to know or even give a shit. I am quite certain that wearing shorts, gym shoes, and a t-shirt is not rude.

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That's understandable. What is not understandable, IMO, is when you move to thinking lesser of that person or think that wearing that outfit constitutes being "rude". Reclining might be rude. I really dont fly enough to know or even give a shit. I am quite certain that wearing shorts, gym shoes, and a t-shirt is not rude.



I think it is rude. It's just become so ubiquitous that people have come to believe it's not. And then, the next thing you know, they're slipping off their shoes exposing long yellow toenails, because, why not? It's about me and my comfort, not you. And if you don't like it, FUCK YOU!

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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That's understandable. What is not understandable, IMO, is when you move to thinking lesser of that person or think that wearing that outfit constitutes being "rude". Reclining might be rude. I really dont fly enough to know or even give a shit. I am quite certain that wearing shorts, gym shoes, and a t-shirt is not rude.



I think it is rude. It's just become so ubiquitous that people have come to believe it's not. And then, the next thing you know, they're slipping off their shoes exposing long yellow toenails, because, why not? It's about me and my comfort, not you. And if you don't like it, FUCK YOU!

This is just silly, and the type of thought that I think deserves to be laughed at and not taken seriously. That's like saying swear words lead to murder so everyone who swears is a rude, violent criminal. Judge people for what they do, not some made up bullshit you are attributing to them for no reason.

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That's understandable. What is not understandable, IMO, is when you move to thinking lesser of that person or think that wearing that outfit constitutes being "rude". Reclining might be rude. I really dont fly enough to know or even give a shit. I am quite certain that wearing shorts, gym shoes, and a t-shirt is not rude.



I think it is rude. It's just become so ubiquitous that people have come to believe it's not. And then, the next thing you know, they're slipping off their shoes exposing long yellow toenails, because, why not? It's about me and my comfort, not you. And if you don't like it, FUCK YOU!

This is just silly, and the type of thought that I think deserves to be laughed at and not taken seriously. That's like saying swear words lead to murder so everyone who swears is a rude, violent criminal. Judge people for what they do, not some made up bullshit you are attributing to them for no reason.



It's not really similar at all though. Swear words are unrelated to murder. Wearing sweatpants and removing one's shoes on a commercial flight are both placing one's own comfort as the highest possible value.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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That's understandable. What is not understandable, IMO, is when you move to thinking lesser of that person or think that wearing that outfit constitutes being "rude". Reclining might be rude. I really dont fly enough to know or even give a shit. I am quite certain that wearing shorts, gym shoes, and a t-shirt is not rude.



I think it is rude. It's just become so ubiquitous that people have come to believe it's not. And then, the next thing you know, they're slipping off their shoes exposing long yellow toenails, because, why not? It's about me and my comfort, not you. And if you don't like it, FUCK YOU!

This is just silly, and the type of thought that I think deserves to be laughed at and not taken seriously. That's like saying swear words lead to murder so everyone who swears is a rude, violent criminal. Judge people for what they do, not some made up bullshit you are attributing to them for no reason.



It's not really similar at all though. Swear words are unrelated to murder. Wearing sweatpants and removing one's shoes on a commercial flight are both placing one's own comfort as the highest possible value.

Nobody mentioned sweatpants. Let's stay on track here JORR.

Wearing shorts and a t shirt is not really placing one's own comfort as the highest possible value. It's just something people wear. And there is no necessary correlation to taking one's shoes off. So yeah, the swearing/murder analogy makes about as much sense. You are taking one act, and extrapolating it to the extreme. I did the same.

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It's about me and my comfort, not you. And if you don't like it, FUCK YOU!
You are saying the exact same thing to the person in front of you who reclines their seat.

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Wearing shorts and a t shirt is not really placing one's own comfort as the highest possible value.



I think it is though. It's not the most attractive look. It's not even the most utilitarian way to dress. It's actually strictly about comfort.

You're not going to wear shorts and a t-shirt on your wedding day. Because on that day other things are going to trump your personal comfort. I just think there are other considerations that should trump that comfort while we're stuck with each other on a commercial airline flight. I get that you disagree.

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It's about me and my comfort, not you. And if you don't like it, FUCK YOU!
You are saying the exact same thing to the person in front of you who reclines their seat.



No. I'm not affecting that guy. He's affecting me. If I leaned into his space, you'd have an argument.

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Wearing shorts and a t shirt is not really placing one's own comfort as the highest possible value.



I think it is though. It's not the most attractive look. It's not even the most utilitarian way to dress. It's actually strictly about comfort.

You're not going to wear shorts and a t-shirt on your wedding day. Because on that day other things are going to trump your personal comfort. I just think there are other considerations that should trump that comfort while we're stuck with each other on a commercial airline flight. I get that you disagree.

Consider your audience. There's a great chance I'm wearing that shit if I ever get married.

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Wearing shorts and a t shirt is not really placing one's own comfort as the highest possible value.



I think it is though. It's not the most attractive look. It's not even the most utilitarian way to dress. It's actually strictly about comfort.

You're not going to wear shorts and a t-shirt on your wedding day. Because on that day other things are going to trump your personal comfort. I just think there are other considerations that should trump that comfort while we're stuck with each other on a commercial airline flight. I get that you disagree.

Consider your audience. There's a great chance I'm wearing that shit if I ever get married.


We'll see what your wife has to say about that. :lol:

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I think it is though. It's not the most attractive look. It's not even the most utilitarian way to dress. It's actually strictly about comfort.

You're not going to wear shorts and a t-shirt on your wedding day. Because on that day other things are going to trump your personal comfort. I just think there are other considerations that should trump that comfort while we're stuck with each other on a commercial airline flight. I get that you disagree.

Consider your audience. There's a great chance I'm wearing that shit if I ever get married.
I call BS on that. You will get married in a jockstrap like a true savage.

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It is interesting how dress standards have changed. As I read through this thread, I recalled that the Three Stooges did the majority of that show in suits. I always thought it was strange for a slapstick comedy show to have its stars doing the show all dressed up. Today, they would be wearing "Who farted" t-shirts.


I was watching an episode recently where the Stooges were trying to upholster a sofa, and with Moe holding up the fabric, Larry cuts through it with a large pair of scissors but simultaneously also cuts through Moe's suit coat. Moe's response, which I'm sure went over my head as a kid and wouldn't be understood by most people today: "Just my luck--I buy a two-pants suit...and he ruins the coat!"

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Ok help me, I don't get it.


Back in the day, many suits were sold with two identical pairs of trousers, with the thinking that the pants would wear about about twice as fast as the coat.

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Can you dye this suit henna color?

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Let me start by saying that I like JORR. He's a nice guy and fun to hang out with.
That being said... I find myself disagreeing with just about everything he posts on this board. I think most of his thoughts are completely ridiculous. This and the wins debate is by far two of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen debated... and debated with intensity that does not match the subject matter. It's almost bizarre.
But he does smell nice, and he is indeed an interesting conversationalist.

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Let me start by saying that I like JORR. He's a nice guy and fun to hang out with.
That being said... I find myself disagreeing with just about everything he posts on this board. I think most of his thoughts are completely ridiculous. This and the wins debate is by far two of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen debated... and debated with intensity that does not match the subject matter. It's almost bizarre.
But he does smell nice, and he is indeed an interesting conversationalist.


Just a quiet +1 (though I can only, to my exlusive loss, as of yet presume the 'hanging out fun' part)

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The Three Stooges are awesome.


No. Laurel and Hardy are the go to old school B&W slapstick comedy.

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No. Laurel and Hardy are the go to old school B&W slapstick comedy.


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No. Laurel and Hardy are the go to old school B&W slapstick comedy.


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Let me start by saying that I like JORR. He's a nice guy and fun to hang out with.
That being said... I find myself disagreeing with just about everything he posts on this board. I think most of his thoughts are completely ridiculous. This and the wins debate is by far two of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen debated... and debated with intensity that does not match the subject matter. It's almost bizarre.
But he does smell nice, and he is indeed an interesting conversationalist.


:lol: I like you too, Darkside. You're much less of an asshole in person.

I can understand you being indifferent to the way others dress when you are forced to be in a close proximity to them for several hours, but I'm not sure how my position of preferring not to be forced into a seat next to someone who is so lazy/slovenly they couldn't be bothered to dress properly and instead donned a wardrobe more suitable for the boudoir than a commercial airline flight as "ridiculous".

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As long as don't stink like BO or shitty drawers I really don't give a damn what they're wearing as long as we're talking something that covers up their private parts.

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I have noted how the relaxed dress code in public has even found it's way into our little, conservative German Lutheran church (is there any other kind of German Lutheran church besides a conservative one?) My Dad used to wear shorts and polo to church 9-10 months of the year, but mostly due to the sweats caused by the chemo. Now, many others are in jeans, maybe khakis and a polo stolen from Jake at State Farm. Even the ushers are now pants and open dress shirt. I was suit/tie absolute, except on the hottest of summer days, even when my kids were little. Now I, too favor the dress shirt and pants (mostly because I can't get a 28" neck dress shirt to wear a tie thanks to my burgeoning obesity).


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