there's also a chance you could be involved in a crash and be unable to remove your seatbelt, and thus die

I saw a father and son on a motorcycle last weekend. Kid was probably 10-12 years old. Neither of them were wearing helmets, and the kid was also wearing shorts.

Father of the year...

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It's the case of most people not caring that much, but a small group caring very much.

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Its not as remote a chance as that.

And I think for Semi trucks, they should definitely be required. You lose control of that thing and you could kill 50 people.

It's not. If your windows are obstructed that affects the way you drive a vehicle and makes you dangerous to others.


As far as the crosswalk thing, I'm not telling people to drive however they want to. I'm saying a seatbelt doesnt change the basic function of your vehicle. Jaywalking changes the basic function of traffic flow. You are creating a hazard and should use your "lane".

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Id think the numbers are definitely a lot higher on my side

Seatbelts are the first line of defense in car accidents. Virtually every other safety feature on a car is based around supplementing a seat belt.

I guess the larger point is that this is a terrible place to draw the line in the sand. You, and the rest of society, will be just fine if we lose the right to not wear a seatbelt without risking a $25 fine.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

i don't know the numbers, but in all seriousness i've heard of that happening. you can even buy some kind of blade/tool that will cut your seatbelt in an emergency

You could certainly talk me into supporting this.

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Tinted windows don't obstruct your view. Also, as I've said a few times, seat belts do effect what you can do in an accident. Have you ever been in a car and had the brakes slammed? What do you think happens to you with that force if you don't have a seatbelt on?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I couldnt agree more. That is why I wear mine. That is why everyone should wear one. Dont need a bogus law about it. It's revenue generating and allows police reasons to hassle people, it has nothing to do with your safety.

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Legal tinted windows dont. There is a reason why a limo doesnt have the black out tints all over the front of the vehicle. You can argue where the legal line should be on tints, our current enforcement level is probably too rigid.

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ding ding ding

My friend can be a bit goofy. His wife even more so.

I respect your opinion. I wear my seatbelt every time I get behind the wheel, and I would do so, whether or not it was the law.

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It has a lot to do with safety. The fine is so low. It's $25 in Illinois.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Baygs and Hankerchief,


Here is a study on restrained and unrestrained passengers

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/810948.pdf
Fatalities are always higher with unrestrained and the thing where bodies become human projectiles is valid and happens more than you'd think.

Tinted windows are illegal because you can't see in the car. It isn't because of safety of the people inside. All tinted windows do is the equivalent of sunglasses.

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I saw a pretty good sized bird fly right into the side of an SUV travelling at about 50 mph, the other day. The bird tried to get up, but it fell down immediately.

There was no car accident.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

Ever wear your sunglasses at night while driving?

cue the Corey Hart jokes

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I would have shit my pants

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The bottom line is that everything that happens on a public roadway has effects on others. When you are intentionally not using the #1 safety feature on a car it makes it more dangerous for everyone.

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how long until the breath devices are installed on every new car as a standard feature ?

Probably never since we don't even prosecute drunk drivers like we should.

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This is where we just have to agree to disagree. I think it makes it unsafe for you. I drive the same regardless of your choice.

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you feel the punishments are too lax ?

Yes, especially for those who get caught in things other than checkpoints and are proving to be an actual danger worthy of being stopped.

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what difference does the checkpoint make ? in any case, what do you feel the punishment should be ?

A person who gets caught at a checkpoint may not have been doing anything out of the ordinary. They weren't caught doing something dangerous. Now, they may have been driving erratically but they may not have. Someone who is pulled over likely did something that would cause you to feel they are driving recklessly. I understand that isn't always true.

The penalties for one dui may be acceptable. I don't really know enough about them. I know there are way too many people with multiple dui arrests/convictions and penalties should be more severe.

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Death penalty.

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What if you can't wear your seat belt because you're wearing your sport coat?

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