I disagree. I'm not even arguing the popularity

But that list is bogus. Gambling and fantasy have a huge impact on football. Moreso than any other sport. The rest of the list is just 20 different ways of saying the social aspect


Im not sure why gambling and fantasy being a big part of the popularity bothers people

The NFL is GREAT at drawing in casual fans. Nothing to be ashamed of


I think the Oct of fanatics to casual fans is different in each sport

I'd say NBA and NHL fans are ahead of baseball in that respect but who cares anyway

A little something for JORR

It's just pointless. Nothing is gained by you giving generalizations about how I post especially when you are just as guilty.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

But it wasn't even a generalization. I explained in detail what I found faulty about your logic.

I'm guilty of a lot of things but not what I accuse you of here. I don't say things are proven false when the evidence is inconclusive. I don't say "No" to peoples opinions kike its a matter of fact.


I'll ask you then. If you say something is proven or state something as fact that i think is debateable, how should I address it?

Should I just say "No you're wrong" with no explanation?

Don't make me defend Rick here. I agree that he is a bad person with bad thoughts. But he is right here.

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NO.

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Here was the exact quote.

You are doing the same thing I am. You are acting like gambling and fantasy football are the undeniable reason why football is popular.

Respond to the posts and not your opinion of my posting style. See, even this is ending up to be a completely pointless discussion.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Its undeniable that gambling and fantasy play a significant role. Wouldn't you agree?


And you saying its false is kinda ridiculous

Maybe its not as pronounced as I say it is. But when you say something that is pretty much perpetually debatable is "proven false" you come off as close minded and dismissive

What? No sorry.

If you're talking NFL is more popular I agree. He's not right about my criticizing his logic though. That's what you quoted

I was trying to lighten the mood. You're both assholes. But football is more popular.

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Fantasy football and gambling play a large role in the popularity of the NFL


Does anyone disagree?

Nope.

But are you saying that that somehow makes it "less popular"?

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I will say, however, that if gambling and fantasy were eliminated, football would still be more popular.

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What does this even mean? Sometimes your posting style is relevant. Especially when its bad logic

Why are you so convinced its personal with you?

I argue the same way with everyone else here. No one else says I'm doing it just "cause its them"

Not at all

Agreed but it would be much closer

You didn't say it plays a significant role. Of course it plays a significant role. Football is the most popular sport in America for hundreds of reasons.

You are saying it is the reason why it is so popular. If you aren't, then I misunderstood your previous quotes.

The fantasy football angle is easy to prove false by simply pointing out the playoff numbers and the NFL draft numbers. Fantasy football has a minimal impact on both of those. The gambling one is a little bit harder since you can gamble on most things.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

It's not personal. It's just something you do and it is a lazy way to argue.

It would be like if I was saying that you are only responding this way because you like JORR. It doesn't actually say anything of importance. So you think I have a bad pattern with my posting habits. Big deal.

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I don't think it would really be close.

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even in the 80's and 90's i doubt you could find anyone who could name all starting QB's, and that's when you had a lot of future HOF's and great quarterbacks. but sometimes you have nerds like me who could tell you that stan humphries was the starting qb for the san diego chargers in 1992 (saw a lot of their games being in the kansas city market), and watched enough espn primetime to know that ken o'brien started a bunch of games for the jets that year too.

this is off the top of my head, not looking it up...all the starting qb's in the nfl:

afc north

bal - joe flacco
pit - big ben
cin - andrew dalton
cle - the great brian hoyer

afc south

ind - andrew luck
ten - jake "the hurt" locker
hou - ryan fitzpatrick
jax - chad henne

afc east

ne - tom brady
nyj - geno smith
buf - e.j. manuel
mia - ryan tannehill

afc west

san diego - philip rivers
oakland - derrek carr
kansas city - alex smith
denver - peyton manning

nfc north

chicago - jay cutler
green bay - aaron rodgers
detroit - matt stafford
min - lol (ok, matt cassell)

nfc south

no - breesus
tb - josh mccown
car - cam newton
atl - matt ryan

nfc east

phi - nick foles
dallas - tony romo
nyg - eli manning
was - kirk cousins/griffin dunne

nfc west

sea - russell wilson
sf - colin kaepernick
stl - shaun hill
ari - carson palmer/drew stanton

whew...and i haven't played FF in over 4 years.

You've never played me. But thanks for helping make my point. That didn't seem too hard.

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oh i've played you...lots of times...mwhuhah..muwahahaha...muwahaahHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Global definition of Football> American Football.

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How did the NFL taker over?

Seems like it was a gradual climb past baseball in the seventies and 80s

I wonder what were the different causes. I'd guess the availability of games on tv and things like ESPN helped

Because it is a more entertaining sport (Occam's Razor)

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If so, wasn't it more entertaining in the 60s too when baseball was king?


You might be right. Could be a couple generations of baseball die hards had to die first.

I just like annoying JORR. It's hard to muster up enthusiasm for a debate this stupid.

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Is it really though? There is about the same amount of action in a game. Is it about the violence or the anticipation/ # of exciting plays that could happen that make football more entertaining?

Both. Neither. Not really sure honestly. I don't think it's the violence(for me). I love basketball which is a soft as hell league and don't care much for hockey.

It probably has a lot to do with attention span these days. Who knows?

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The 85 Bears played a role in it. They were a team of rock stars and that was the year the NFL took over iirc