Arrieta!!

IMU · **Posted:** Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:46 pm

Most dominant starter in Chicago.

America · **Posted:** Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:22 pm

immessedup17 wrote:

Most dominant starter in Chicago.

Things like this are said, and they are meant, when they are said, and it's why I obsessively prove to you that all of your visions for your team are a mirage.

Arrieta burned his fluke year too early. You'll hate him this time next year.

IMU · **Posted:** Tue Sep 16, 2014 10:45 pm

America wrote:

immessedup17 wrote:

Most dominant starter in Chicago.

Things like this are said, and they are meant, when they are said, and it's why I obsessively prove to you that all of your visions for your team are a mirage.

Arrieta burned his fluke year too early. You'll hate him this time next year.

I'll hate that his starts in mid September have no meaning next season since the Cubs will have already clinched the NL Central.

You also have terrible sentence structure.

America · **Posted:** Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:44 pm

immessedup17 wrote:

America wrote:

immessedup17 wrote:

Most dominant starter in Chicago.

Things like this are said, and they are meant, when they are said, and it's why I obsessively prove to you that all of your visions for your team are a mirage.

Arrieta burned his fluke year too early. You'll hate him this time next year.

I'll hate that his starts in mid September have no meaning next season since the Cubs will have already clinched the NL Central.

You also have terrible sentence structure.

What evidence can you possibly have to prove Jake Arrieta is in the same realm as Chris Sale?

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:08 am

Jake Arrieta xFIP: 2.79
Chris Sale xFIP: 2.80

Jake Arrieta WAR: 4.6
Chris Sale WAR: 5.3

But you're right, Jake Arrieta sucks.

Nas · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2014 6:40 am

Arrieta is legit but let's not kid ourselves. Chris sale is arguably a top 5 pitcher.

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:00 am

Nas wrote:

Arrieta is legit but let's not kid ourselves. Chris sale is arguably a top 5 pitcher.

No. He's not even the best pitcher in the AL Central.

8675309 · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:09 am

I'm a little worried about Arrieta being too frail.
The guy looks like he lives in an Alsipian meth trailer.

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rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Sale is better

Arrieta looks Sale-ish 75% of the time

badrogue17 · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:42 am

rogers park bryan wrote:

Sale is better

Arrieta looks Sale-ish 75% of the time

Sale has certainly done it longer than Arriettas half season but he certainly looks like
he can be as effective as Sale. Can he keep it up is the question

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

badrogue17 wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Sale is better

Arrieta looks Sale-ish 75% of the time

Sale has certainly done it longer than Arriettas half season but he certainly looks like
he can be as effective as Sale. Can he keep it up is the question

With every start like last night, I start to think he might

We'll know by next year's all star break either way

badrogue17 · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:54 am

Agree. When they're on they both have no-hit stuff no doubt . Looks like Arrietta has finally figured out how to pitch but I've seen too many half season sensations to totally buy in.

Brick · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:56 am

Cubs fans always making it about the White Sox.

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:57 am

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Cubs fans always making it about the White Sox.

America is a Cubs fan?

Brick · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:01 am

Kirkwood wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Cubs fans always making it about the White Sox.

America is a Cubs fan?

IMU made it about the White Sox, for some strange reason.

America · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:22 am

Let us make this abundantly clear: Chris Sale has an ERA under 2 in the American League. He plays half his games in the 3rd best hitters park in baseball. He strikes out more than 10 hitters every 9 innings. He is 25 years old and has been steadily improving the past 3 seasons. When left handed aces were being dealt arpund this trade deadline Dave Dombrowski made an offhand joke daring Billy Beane to try and trade for Chris Sale. Trying to say Arrieta, a guy with a career ERA above 4.50, is better than CHRIS FUCKING SALE is the stupidest fucking idea I've yet seen posted on this board.

Not one single person around baseball will agree with that premise. Nobody. If Rick Hahn approached Theo Epstein looking to acquire Jake Arrieta for Chris Sale, Theo Epstein would sell Soler and Addison Russell on top of Jake Arrieta to get it done. Sale, barring injury (which is a big fucking if this day and age), is going to be in the Hall of Fame.

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:31 am

^he mad^

IMU · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:31 am

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Cubs fans always making it about the White Sox.

America is a Cubs fan?

IMU made it about the White Sox, for some strange reason.

I made it about Arrieta being the best in the city.

I don't care enough one way or another about your White Sox to focus on them in this thread. When I want to discuss White Sox, there was a thread created for me in that section to do that very thing.

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

America wrote:

Sale, barring injury (which is a big fucking if this day and age), is going to be in the Hall of Fame.

True. Many would have said the same thing about Johan Santana. I think that's a good comparison. Sale's been pretty much what Johan was on the Twins

Brick · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:36 am

immessedup17 wrote:

I made it about Arrieta being the best in the city.

I don't care enough one way or another about your White Sox to focus on them in this thread. When I want to discuss White Sox, there was a thread created for me in that section to do that very thing.

What you said literally means "Better than anyone on the White Sox". You knew what you were doing.

IMU · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:38 am

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

immessedup17 wrote:

I made it about Arrieta being the best in the city.

I don't care enough one way or another about your White Sox to focus on them in this thread. When I want to discuss White Sox, there was a thread created for me in that section to do that very thing.

What you said literally means "Better than anyone on the White Sox". You knew what you were doing.

And equally better than anyone on the Cubs. That is just sort of how it works when you call a player the best at something in a city with two teams. I don't apologize for it.

But this is a thread about Arrieta; not your White Sox. I'm not getting sucked into a bigfan / Frank dynamic with you.

Brick · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:43 am

immessedup17 wrote:

And equally better than anyone on the Cubs. That is just sort of how it works when you call a player the best at something in a city with two teams. I don't apologize for it.

But this is a thread about Arrieta; not your White Sox. I'm not getting sucked into a bigfan / Frank dynamic with you.

So your counter is that I was right? Good talk.

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:53 am

immessedup17 wrote:

I made it about Arrieta being the best in the city.

Which is wrong, and should probably go in this thread; viewtopic.php?f=47&t=89204

Kirkwood wrote:

But you're right, Jake Arrieta sucks.

Not what was said or ever insinuated, but thanks for trying.

Kirkwood · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:58 am

Frank Coztansa wrote:

Kirkwood wrote:

But you're right, Jake Arrieta sucks.

Not what was said or ever insinuated, but thanks for trying.

Take a lap Frank.

America wrote:

immessedup17 wrote:

Most dominant starter in Chicago.

Things like this are said, and they are meant, when they are said, and it's why I obsessively prove to you that all of your visions for your team are a mirage.

Arrieta burned his fluke year too early. You'll hate him this time next year.

America wrote:

The Orioles did the same thing to Dylan Bundy, wound up killing his arm. They stupid.

Arrieta also has a pretty mediocre second half ERA, so chill your wood kiddos.

America wrote:

http://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/the-xk-strikeout-rate-decliners-list/

He's due for regression and he's getting it. It's OK, he's still worthy of a rotation spot. He's not a #1 or #2 though.

So he's a fluke, will get injured, or just OK enough to be in the rotation.

It's clear what superfan America thinks with pretty much anything.

Juiced · **Joined:** Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:06 am **Posts:** 6839

America wrote:

Let us make this abundantly clear: Chris Sale has an ERA under 2 in the American League. He plays half his games in the 3rd best hitters park in baseball. He strikes out more than 10 hitters every 9 innings. He is 25 years old and has been steadily improving the past 3 seasons. When left handed aces were being dealt arpund this trade deadline Dave Dombrowski made an offhand joke daring Billy Beane to try and trade for Chris Sale. Trying to say Arrieta, a guy with a career ERA above 4.50, is better than CHRIS FUCKING SALE is the stupidest fucking idea I've yet seen posted on this board.

Not one single person around baseball will agree with that premise. Nobody. If Rick Hahn approached Theo Epstein looking to acquire Jake Arrieta for Chris Sale, Theo Epstein would sell Soler and Addison Russell on top of Jake Arrieta to get it done. Sale, barring injury (which is a big fucking if this day and age), is going to be in the Hall of Fame.

Don't be mad bro. Consider the source. :bom:

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:28 am

America wrote:

Let us make this abundantly clear: Chris Sale has an ERA under 2 in the American League.

Sale burned his fluke year too early.

Frank Coztansa · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:41 am

Kirkwood wrote:

Take a lap Frank.

You probably need to have somebody read this thread to you.

In ALL of that mess you quoted 'Jake Arrieta sucks' was posted by one person-- You.

America · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:46 am

I never said he was more or less likely to get injured than any other starter. He's definitely do for regression, he's been a 4A pitcher his entire career. Maybe he won't, it's happened before that guys have flipped the switch, but I look at the cases of guys the Cubs both unloaded (Shark, Hammel, Feldman) and kept (Travis Wood) and the trend is pretty clear: They don't keep it up.

Brick · **Posted:** Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:47 am

Kirkwood wrote:

So he's a fluke, will get injured, or just OK enough to be in the rotation.

It's clear what superfan America thinks with pretty much anything.

Didn't you recently brag about how you used statistics to show that a regression with Abreu's power was coming? What is the difference with what America is doing?

He seems to be giving some pretty solid statistical reasons behind his posts. Is it that you don't like his ultimate conclusions?

rogers park bryan · **Joined:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm **Posts:** 81625

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

He seems to be giving some pretty solid statistical reasons behind his posts. Is it that you don't like his ultimate conclusions?

I would say, he has a desired conclusion and goes looking for stats to back it up.

But that's not just him. That's everyone.

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