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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 5:23 pm 
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COF may be onto something. Why would someone with a brain ever call these dopes?

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COF may be onto something. Why would someone with a brain ever call these dopes?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 5:24 pm 
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I wonder if Eldon Ham is a real person or just a recording.

It seems his answer to every question is "it all boils down to what did they know and when did they know it".


Have you ever met a lawyer? That's all they ever say.

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The boys are closing in on 2 straight weeks of just awful radio. I had to turn it off after the 2nd half because I couldn't handle the same shit being said over and over. The Cubs had a pitcher just miss a no hitter, and put together a dominating start, and I don't think they ever mentioned it.

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Agreed. I hate when big stories like this come out because it turns into real. serious. radio...
Remember when Dan Patrick was on like a 4 month steroid crusade? That was painful. These guys are worse.
For what it's worth, listening to the first hour of the show while humping Heils today it sounded to me like Terry had enough as well. Dan was going on and on being all Dan and Terry just kinda deep sighed two, three times.

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The boys are closing in on 2 straight weeks of just awful radio. I had to turn it off after the 2nd half because I couldn't handle the same shit being said over and over. The Cubs had a pitcher just miss a no hitter, and put together a dominating start, and I don't think they ever mentioned it.



This is a great catch. Blow that off for lazy dumb national yelling and breaking twitter feeds.

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Add peer reviewed study to the Bernsteinism list.


I'd love to know his in depth knowledge of how actual studies are conducted.

Ahahahaha, why even bother for an answer.

He doesn't know shit.


He doesn't have peers, only the untouchables who must be enlightened. I wonder if he is familiar with the Dunning-Kruger Effect. There may have been some peer reviews on that topic, but I can't read, what do I know.


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leashyourkids wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I wonder if Eldon Ham is a real person or just a recording.

It seems his answer to every question is "it all boils down to what did they know and when did they know it".


Have you ever met a lawyer? That's all they ever say.


A young good dolphin learned at the foot of Eldon Ham.

I don't ask you guys what you know as that is patently obvious.

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Hmmm Elden Hamm thinks there is a "private sector due process if you will". And Dan's reply is....


I wrote it in another thread, Hamm layed this out a couple of weeks ago. Constitutional due process isn't required but there are protections. He even cited to a specific instance he handled with Richard Dent. It refuted Dan's previous thoughts that day and he specifically said "we have all been enlightened"...then he went right back to spewing the same stuff he previously thought.

as an aside, it is pretty apparent he gets his legal thoughts are from his dad who practice was based representing the corporate side. Hamm represents employee side and there is a subtle yet definite shift in the narrative.

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good dolphin wrote:
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Hmmm Elden Hamm thinks there is a "private sector due process if you will". And Dan's reply is....


I wrote it in another thread, Hamm layed this out a couple of weeks ago. Constitutional due process isn't required but there are protections. It refuted Dan's previous thoughts that day and he specifically said "we have all been enlightened"...then he went right back to spewing the same stuff he previously thought.



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good dolphin wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Hmmm Elden Hamm thinks there is a "private sector due process if you will". And Dan's reply is....


I wrote it in another thread, Hamm layed this out a couple of weeks ago. Constitutional due process isn't required but there are protections. It refuted Dan's previous thoughts that day and he specifically said "we have all been enlightened"...then he went right back to spewing the same stuff he previously thought.
I'm not a lawyer but isn't that a pretty broad and dumb statement? I mean, we all know the NFL can't put Peterson in jail but it seems like the league pretty much does whatever they want and the only real question is if it is with pay or without pay.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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COF may be onto something. Why would someone with a brain ever call these dopes?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

after having said that, I did try calling in at 5:30 to state that Jay Cutler should be suspended for not vacc'ing his kids. I was summarily put on hold, then hung up on. That's a first.

However, I think it was due to the late time. I did get a double take from Matty.

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After a while, I couldn't take Dan's advice/lecturing on parenting. Is this an important story - yes. Can you find the sports angle to discuss in it -Yes. Does Dan do it - of course not; he doesn't want to talk sports - he' thinks its beneath him.

I switched to Waddle/Silvy and they were discussing the sports sponsorship aspect of this, the business angles of it - ratings, etc. That's one way to cover it without getting to the "This is how you should discipline your kids" for hours on end.

Essentially, Berntein is becoming North. After becoming a big time Chicago celebrity, North wanted a bigger microphone so he could seem more important - politics, etc.. Bernstein - while not the same style as North - has decided sports is too small for him, so every time a social issue comes up he needs to beat it to death.

Eventually, the same thing will happen to Bernstein as it did to North: the I'm so important that you would die without me. The station decides that no one is worth the hassle and dollars it costs to keep them. While it may not be immediate, Bernstein is headed to the talent dumpster - it will be his own doing as he will decide "he can't be silenced" by management.


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I agree with all that but would never listen to W&S.

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He's hit the jackpot of a 6-figure paycheck to talk on the radio. He's a smart guy. No chance his messes up this gig.


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After a while, I couldn't take Dan's advice/lecturing on parenting. Is this an important story - yes. Can you find the sports angle to discuss in it -Yes. Does Dan do it - of course not; he doesn't want to talk sports - he' thinks its beneath him.

I switched to Waddle/Silvy and they were discussing the sports sponsorship aspect of this, the business angles of it - ratings, etc. That's one way to cover it without getting to the "This is how you should discipline your kids" for hours on end.

Essentially, Berntein is becoming North. After becoming a big time Chicago celebrity, North wanted a bigger microphone so he could seem more important - politics, etc.. Bernstein - while not the same style as North - has decided sports is too small for him, so every time a social issue comes up he needs to beat it to death.

Eventually, the same thing will happen to Bernstein as it did to North: the I'm so important that you would die without me. The station decides that no one is worth the hassle and dollars it costs to keep them. While it may not be immediate, Bernstein is headed to the talent dumpster - it will be his own doing as he will decide "he can't be silenced" by management.


But the issue North had with management wasn't content, it was $$$$. The Score would have gladly aired pappy's crap for years if the price was right.


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didea wrote:
After a while, I couldn't take Dan's advice/lecturing on parenting. Is this an important story - yes. Can you find the sports angle to discuss in it -Yes. Does Dan do it - of course not; he doesn't want to talk sports - he' thinks its beneath him.

I switched to Waddle/Silvy and they were discussing the sports sponsorship aspect of this, the business angles of it - ratings, etc. That's one way to cover it without getting to the "This is how you should discipline your kids" for hours on end.

Essentially, Berntein is becoming North. After becoming a big time Chicago celebrity, North wanted a bigger microphone so he could seem more important - politics, etc.. Bernstein - while not the same style as North - has decided sports is too small for him, so every time a social issue comes up he needs to beat it to death.

Eventually, the same thing will happen to Bernstein as it did to North: the I'm so important that you would die without me. The station decides that no one is worth the hassle and dollars it costs to keep them. While it may not be immediate, Bernstein is headed to the talent dumpster - it will be his own doing as he will decide "he can't be silenced" by management.


But the issue North had with management wasn't content, it was $$$$. The Score would have gladly aired pappy's crap for years if the price was right.


yeah, and it seems like Bernstein gets his negotiations done pretty quickly and quietly. We already know he has the utmost respect and deference to his bosses, so maybe he values the comfort of his current gig over getting more money.

But the on-air stuff being similar to North, that's frightening to agree with but probably true, even though they're obviously opposites in the non-sports realm. I think North's biggest problem was he was a dumbfuck talking sports too.

You can tell Bernstein overstepping his bounds as early as transition yesterday, which thankfully at least lets me know not to listen to much of the show that day. Spiegel getting into Peterson's abuse, couching the idea that 'maybe spanking is ok', and Bernstein going absolutely 'nope, just don't', then Spiegel having to backpedal to not argue with the inarguable. As pointed out by others, this is actually a position I happen to agree with, but it's not good radio for Bernstein to talk in those terms. The 'what to do about Peterson' show is at least sports-ish, 'corporal punishment: what's the deal?' isn't, and bad radio.


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didea wrote:
After a while, I couldn't take Dan's advice/lecturing on parenting. Is this an important story - yes. Can you find the sports angle to discuss in it -Yes. Does Dan do it - of course not; he doesn't want to talk sports - he' thinks its beneath him.

I switched to Waddle/Silvy and they were discussing the sports sponsorship aspect of this, the business angles of it - ratings, etc. That's one way to cover it without getting to the "This is how you should discipline your kids" for hours on end.

Essentially, Berntein is becoming North. After becoming a big time Chicago celebrity, North wanted a bigger microphone so he could seem more important - politics, etc.. Bernstein - while not the same style as North - has decided sports is too small for him, so every time a social issue comes up he needs to beat it to death.

Eventually, the same thing will happen to Bernstein as it did to North: the I'm so important that you would die without me. The station decides that no one is worth the hassle and dollars it costs to keep them. While it may not be immediate, Bernstein is headed to the talent dumpster - it will be his own doing as he will decide "he can't be silenced" by management.


But the issue North had with management wasn't content, it was $$$$. The Score would have gladly aired pappy's crap for years if the price was right.

that is absolutely correct...

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To think, North wouldn't settle then for what is twice what Bernstein makes today.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Hmmm Elden Hamm thinks there is a "private sector due process if you will". And Dan's reply is....


I wrote it in another thread, Hamm layed this out a couple of weeks ago. Constitutional due process isn't required but there are protections. It refuted Dan's previous thoughts that day and he specifically said "we have all been enlightened"...then he went right back to spewing the same stuff he previously thought.
I'm not a lawyer but isn't that a pretty broad and dumb statement? I mean, we all know the NFL can't put Peterson in jail but it seems like the league pretty much does whatever they want and the only real question is if it is with pay or without pay.


dumb is in the eye of the beholder

of course it is broad, you pay if you want narrow

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WestmontMike wrote:
didea wrote:
After a while, I couldn't take Dan's advice/lecturing on parenting. Is this an important story - yes. Can you find the sports angle to discuss in it -Yes. Does Dan do it - of course not; he doesn't want to talk sports - he' thinks its beneath him.

I switched to Waddle/Silvy and they were discussing the sports sponsorship aspect of this, the business angles of it - ratings, etc. That's one way to cover it without getting to the "This is how you should discipline your kids" for hours on end.

Essentially, Berntein is becoming North. After becoming a big time Chicago celebrity, North wanted a bigger microphone so he could seem more important - politics, etc.. Bernstein - while not the same style as North - has decided sports is too small for him, so every time a social issue comes up he needs to beat it to death.

Eventually, the same thing will happen to Bernstein as it did to North: the I'm so important that you would die without me. The station decides that no one is worth the hassle and dollars it costs to keep them. While it may not be immediate, Bernstein is headed to the talent dumpster - it will be his own doing as he will decide "he can't be silenced" by management.


But the issue North had with management wasn't content, it was $$$$. The Score would have gladly aired pappy's crap for years if the price was right.


Bernstein has taken a similar path that North did although he's probably a bit more coy about it. He takes stories that are sports related, but focuses in on the social issues (mostly) with his attacks on Republicans, etc. Bernstein still talks plenty of sports, but if there's an opportunity to turn the show into his next liberal social commentary, he's all over it. He likes to think his viewpoints are the only right ones, and not debatable.

Both have weak partners who agree with that they say, and don't care what direction the show goes in.
North was unprepared, and not intelligent enough to discuss politics. That was a train wreck.


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