The DH is terrible, get rid of it.

If it is going to be kept, there should be a rule that says there DH must bat 9th. That would take away from the fat blobs that are DH that don't even own a glove.

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I agree, its hard to draw an absolute conclusion on a lot of baseball debates. I just think at some point you have to try to compare the leagues as best you can. It's all MLB, we cant ignore half the teams, especially with so much interleague and free agency movement.

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The average AL team has scored 34 more runs than the average NL team. If a starter starts every fifth game, that is .22 runs per game for that starter, as it would be 6.8 runs total and we're splitting it over 30 starts. Let's say that Arrieta somehow gave up all 6.8 in his innings during those games, and let's say they were all somehow earned runs. Again and as before, worst case scenario for Arrieta in this theory. Arrieta now has a 3.00 ERA in this worst case scenario. Chris Sale's ERA in 2012-2013? 3.06 combined.

And even then, we understand that not all runs given up in a ballgame are earned, and not all runs given up in a ballgame are tagged onto the starter.

edit: For full transparency, I factored in 6 runs as JORR understands you cannot have .8 runs in the game of baseball. So if we were to do 6.8, it would be 3.05 ERA.

If you take Arrieta's 3.00 ERA (or 3.05 ERA) and adjust it to ERA+ using AL's variable of lgERA, Arrieta remains superior. Even in a worst case scenario.

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They are both no Edwin Jackson, I will give them that much.

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Wow. IMU is showing domination that hasn't been seen in quite sometime.

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Of course, but in the case of Arrieta v Sale, the difference is so marginal when everything is taken into account. You could say, as IMU is saying, that Arrieta's 2014 is better than Sale's 2012 and 2013. Although I don't see what the point of that is.
You could also argue the opposite. The numbers are so close that the argument ends up being about everything except the players.

I like sports debate when there's something to argue. I remember when Grace and Thomas were the city's first baseman and people would actually argue who's better. Next to nothing about those two guys was similar so it made for a more interesting debate despite the obviousness of it.

so now you're basing clear superiority on a 0.06 (or 0.01 or whatever it is you're calculating) difference in ERA?
Got it. Now it all makes sense.

Let's just call it superiority. I'll leave it up to the individual to decide how large or small the superiority is. I'm presenting statistics and facts. Giving up less runs is better than giving up more runs.

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Jake Arrieta has a career ERA above 4.50. I'd just like to remind everyone of that.

IMU drew an incorrect conclusion. Seems like the difference is statistically irrelevant, not Arietta being superior.

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Wait, are you trolling still or not?

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Arrieta's ERA is better, yes. His season? Yes, no, about the same. All good answers.

Either way, he's dominating.

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leash has started his weekend a little early.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I found Jake Arrieta

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?pl ... position=P

He's even got the one year of finding a cutter similarity.

Very troubling to see a once promising poster reduced to being IMU's water carrier.

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Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Correct. All ERA+ does is compare a pitcher's adjusted ERA to other pitchers in the same league in a given season.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

At lesst a man's W/L record compares him to guys he actually faced rather than a tortured comparison of numbers generated in different leagues with different rules.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

I guess nobody wants to talk about the Esteban Loaiza comp.

I think nobody wants to talk to you.

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CAREER WAR
Chris Sale 22.5
Jake Arrieta 5.3


Also, in 2012 and 2013 Sale finished 6th and 5th respectively in the Cy Arrieta voting. We'll see where exactly where ol' Jake ends up this year.

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It is a little uncomfortable to the bizarre delusional Cubs narrative here.

Yeah, that's another guy who had an awesome year out of nowhere. He was a bit older.

We'll see.

Maybe the Cubs will trade Arrieta for a guy who ends up winning 16 consecutive games

That, is what we call in the business, a steal.

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And yet you can't stop posting here.