My sensitivity to it doesn't affect the truth in my statements

Even in the post where you tried to say it wasn't a shot, you couldn't resist taking the shot (it's "cute" that Cub fans are optimistic)

I grew up on the South Side amongst Sox fans spouting a lot of this same non sense. I mean some of the meatballiest people you ever wanna meet. Im talking Bearweather, Ghost Walter blocked the FG, calling Kerry Wood Kerry WOODS, in a non ironic way level of meatballs.

These fucking people telling me that my fanbase is dumb or doesnt know the sport? Really?

Or the old favorite "Cub fans dont even watch the game" that they spout right after telling the story about how completely shitfaced they were at the game or that they got in a fight by the rain room.

I wont even deny being sensitive to it. Its annoying. I probably shouldnt care, but whatever.

I mean, unless I blackout post then yes Im sure.

Ive taken issue when Cub fans have been desribed as Theo lovers. I have never been real confident in this plan myself, so Id never take shots at someone else for the opinion I share (Ill put the caveat that if its bad reasoning, Ill argue the reasoning-i.e. Theo doesnt draft well or Because they are the Cubs but I never argued the plan would work)

The swatter has no battle with the fly

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

There is nothing revolutionary about the plan: denude yourself of big contracts and build up the minor leagues. It's the unspoken ancillary that gets me going:

We will accept not just a losing season, but several seasons, even when preventable and in harmony with our primary directive.

That is abhorrent to the entire non ownership based interest in sports and yet it is applauded as a good across the north side of this city.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Sure...

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I'm uncertain what your point is. There's a damn good reason for a Sox fan to have an inferiority complex. Vegan has been attempting to explain that to you.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

I also think a lot of the "Sox fans are big meanies" comes from how slow the rebuild has been. I doubt many Cubs fans were saying that when Theo was hired in 2011 that they'd be sitting in April 2015 saying "We may be ALMOST THERE to being competitive". Add in the Sox have put together a faster but possibly less effective rebuilding job in less years and it is magnified.

If the Cubs fans truly felt they were ALMOST THERE they'd just wait until they were THERE and then laugh at all the stupid posts.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

So you are admitting to having an inferiority complex, correct?

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Look, it is what it is. The Sox are treated like the stepchild in spite of being far more successful than the Cubs since WWII. The reasons behind that fact have been discussed over and over, both here and elsewhere. Rick has compared it to the Yankees and the Mets, but that's not right. The Sox have just as much history as the Cubs and more success. It shouldn't be surprising that a Sox fan might find it galling.

Now you have the media celebrating five straight years of horseshit as a "plan". And Cub fans are getting angry because Sox fans find that amusing or ridiculous.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Don't tell leash and rpb that I compared the Cubs to the Yankees.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Not true.

Your issues with the media are with the media. You take out your frustrations and argue against the media with Cub fans.

When you crossover into "Cub fans are getting conned" I get annoyed because its not true. And the best part of all is that you base most of your opinions on Cub fans off what a stated SOX fan says on his radio show.


At least you admitted the inferiority complex and that it bothers you. That's honest.

The Cubs were the Yankees of 1902-1908

Earlier in the thread you said the Cubs only have a 30% chance of winning a World Series in your lifetime. If you honestly believe that then you are being conned. I think every team in Chicago has at least a 30% chance of winning a championship in your lifetime. They didn't need to lose for 5 years to do that.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

That's hilarious. So because I think they WONT WIN, Im being conned?

And if I think they'll win then Im definitely being conned right?


I think every team has about a 30% chance of winning a title in my lifetime.


I have not said anything about 5 years of losing being ok or a good plan. In fact Ive consistently said I think 2 years is a reasonable amount of time to flip the roster

If the 5 years of losing didn't improve their chances of winning a title even a little bit then yes you have been conned or the plan was a bad one.
You seem to be agreeing with me here.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Were not understanding each other here.

How am I being conned? They're bad. I havent spent money on them. I havent spent a lot of time watching them.


The only thing the 5 years might have done is make them competitive a little longer but that's not even certain


Being conned would be if I was going around telling people they'll be awesome and supporting them at every chance.

I dont.


EDIT: I just saw you put OR the plan is bad. Yes, the plan is bad.

If you think the plan is bad, then you think Cubs fans are getting conned because they intentionally went into an extended period of losing with no reason to believe it did anything.

The Cubs sacrificed half a decade in order to get to this point. If they aren't more likely to be successful than they would have been with any other plan then you have to think that the last 3-5 years were a waste.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

No, they're only getting conned if they believe the plan is good and reasonable and continue to support the team

A LARGE portion of Cub fans, including myself, have sat back with arms folded, wallets closed and said "we'll see"

Thats the opposite of being conned.

Some would say you should be outraged. GMs get fired after four to five consecutive losing years. This GM seems to be in line for a Nobel Prize.

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Successful calls:

Kyrie Irving will never win anything as a team's alpha: check
T.rubisky is a bust: check
Ben Simmons is a liability: check
The Fields Cult is dumb: double check

2013 CSFMB ROY

Theo told you they needed to do this to get a World Series winner. In year 3, you don't think they've done anything that improved those chances. Theo conned you in that case.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Sorry, my outrage at the Cubs is all used up for this lifetime. I just cant work up the passion. They killed it.

Are you just trying to argue to the endpoint that I got conned or are you reading and discussing this with me?


I never believed Theo's strategy was perfect or even great. Its just a strategy. They're closer to a title then they were when they started but they could have been this close with a lot of other ways.


I never believed they needed 5 years (and made a thread detailing that at the beginning of Theo's arrival)


Essentially this is what you're calling a con...

Guy: Wanna buy these magic beans? They will turn into endless supply of clean water

Thirsty guy: No I dont want to buy them. I dont think theyll work necessarily.

Guy: They will, you'll see

Thirsty guy: Ok, I guess we'll see.

Yes. What the Cubs did the past 3-5 years didn't improve their chances of winning based on what you said.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I think they're closer to a title but they would have been a lot of other ways

Ive spent no money and very little time even watching the team in Theo's tenure.

To say Ive been conned is laughable.

Talk to someone who has been saying the Plan is perfect or someone who has been going to or watching every game.


The way you're presenting it, any fan of any team that didnt win a title for 5 years was conned.

No.

Theo said "We had to lose so we had a better chance of winning". You are saying they don't have a better chance of winning than any other team in any sport.

If you are saying the plan was bad and didn't work then you can join the Sox Subdivision with America.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I feel like I'm arguing with my wife sometimes with you.

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We are back to square one here. Sox Subdivision is lecturing Cub fans on how they should feel about their GM. I don't get it.

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We're sorry you're poor.

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I think concentrating on development is good. I think forsaking a season, maybe two with the future in mind can be reasonable. 5 year plans are bad by their very nature. Nobody has 5 years to wait for something that is not even close to assured.

The Sox are not doing any better, imo


I like what they Angels, Blue Jays and Rangers have been doing in recent years. They all have a nice mix of spending/development.

So, just like America, you don't think the plan has worked.

Are you sure you aren't America?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!