Of course it hasnt worked.

You know when it has worked?

When they either

Win a World Series
Go to 5 straight playoffs


Im not America, because I think Kris Bryant will eventually be better than Marcus Semien

The whole point of the extended period of losing was to give them a future that was brighter than most other teams. They didn't according to you.

Honestly, I'm more optimistic about the Cubs than you. Don't tell leash that though!

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Right, but i never thought they would have a brighter future, so definitely NOT conned

Well, stop taking it so personally. You and jimmypasta are the two Cub fans not being conned.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Exactly. He should be enjoying those who are saying that the plan didn't work!

rpb and America are leading the charge!

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Me, Jimmy, Curious Hair, BadRogue, and many more

Also the attendance numbers and TV ratings suggest there is a large contingent of fans not being conned

On this board for every optimistic fan, there are 5 pessimistic fans

You guys act like its the other way around

Obviously you are unfamiliar with the iBucky Chris 6S.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

You and America are the only two people I remember who have said the plan didn't work.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Hasnt worked.

If they win 5 titles in a row starting next year, Ill have to revise my assessment


CH has ripped the plan for a long time. CoF seems largely unimpressed by the TheoJed regime. JimmyPasta and so on

I distinctly remember the estimate at 3 years.

Then, when things admittedly (by administration itself) fell behind schedule, suddenly the plan became intertwined with the whole rooftop issue with delays in the capital improvements being used as a justification for delays for on field success.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Most in the Chicago media are Cub fans. And regardless, the media has influence. If the Sox are losing they're "bad, just bad." If the Cubs are losing, the narrative is about how they're building something better. This isn't a new phenomenon. It's just gotten to a ridiculous point with the deification of Theo Epstein.

If you asked a media honcho why they give more coverage to the Cubs, he'd tell you because there are more Cub fans. But that becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. The coverage is a type of advertising. Besides that, a guy like bernstein is only audience driven when it suits him. Because believe me, his audience is not interested in non-stop talk about CTE or child rape or wife-beating.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

This is the Bucky Chris narrative. The Plan is whatever Theo says it is at a given time. And since it's Theo's Plan, it's a good plan.

Every fucking team has a goddamn plan. You would think the Cubs were reinventing the wheel.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

The lone voice in the desert, Gordon Whitenmeyer, is a pariah because he dares not be positive. It may not be you but there are certainly many being conned.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Think of it like The Matrix, except we don't give you the choice to take the pill that allows you to return to your comfortable life. You may hate us for it but we are setting you free.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

This must be what it felt like when Mariano Rivera entered the game.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

This is the part that I will never accept. The(o) Plan is bad because winning in the future did not and does not require the losing. There is no greater evidence of this than Kyle Schwarber.

Revamp the entire minor league system and method of scouting. That is a great plan that should reap untold rewards. Don't tell me those great methods and scouts cannot find a player outside of the top 5 because: 1. then they aren't that great and 2. there are other teams who regularly do well drafting outside of that area.

This plan does not suddenly get washed clean if the win. It is bad at its core.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Did you miss the 80's and 90's when the Cubs were frequently labeled "loveable losers"

Were they building something then? I know McPhail got some love but before that. Bad was just bad.


And it doesnt matter that the media has influence. Clearly not enough for guys like me or Curious Hair or Jimmy.

You shouldnt make every Cub fan answer for your issues with the media. Talk to Bucky Chris or Denis about Bucky Chris or Denis expectations. Dont make me answer for them. Apply the same rule to the media.


Its just lazy and bullshit to read an article or radio show of one guy saying the Cubs are destined for success and the next words out of your mouth are "That's why Cub fans _____"


Its not Cub fans. Its the media. And no matter how much you want them to be the same, they are two separate entities.

Not accurate

Whittenmeyer has always been a negative guy, even before the Theo regime. Some are just tired of him

That is probably the worst analogy in the history of CSFMB and that is saying something.


If its a movie, Sox fans are Clint Howard in Parenthood

If it ends up in a dynasty (5 titles in a row like I posted and you quoted) then it will have been the right move.

SPOILER ALERT: They wont win 5 straight WS

I'm not making you do anything. You're choosing to answer. If it doesn't apply to you, why are you getting angry? You hate The Plan. Great! I realize you and jimmypasta are exceptions. Would you like a disclaimer with every post?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

You generalize too much.


Cub fans ___

Im a Cub fan. Im not like that. And its not just me and Jimmy and its not a minority.

You're trying to continue your dishonest campaign that Cub fans are idiots by excepting me and Jimmy but its still bullshit.

Cub fans are just like every other group of fans. Im sorry to break this news to you.

That's utterly ridiculous. It's not a minority of Cub fans that are on board with the lengthy losing on purpose. It's not a minority of Cub fans on this board. You're being silly. You can hear Cub fans on the radio everyday cheering a new creation called "tank wins". You can read posts about how this is "the right way". You're the minority.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Indeed. I am on record as being 100% on board with the Plan. Nothing guarantees success in professional sports, but I believe the Plan is the right approach for the Cubs. I am not going to argue with BRick and JORR (again) about it as I can't prove that it's the right way to go. Only time will tell if the Plan was correct.

BTW, my buddy just got a call from the Cubs about season tickets. It seems a lot of people have dropped off the list. I put myself down for ten games for 2015. My Cubs gang is quite excited about the future.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

See this is total bullshit and deep down you know its true.

You're basing your shit off of a few radio callers (and if were being honest you're basing 98% of it on Sox fan Dan Bernstein)

Its DEFINITELY a minority on this board. Ive proven that. Youre choosing ignorance, now.
Not sure how many times I have to make the list where there are 10 regular poster that are negative and two that are positive.

Its at LEAST a 5:1 ratio

I show you quotes of negativity from Cub fans and you ignore it.

Then you go so far as to say that even Joking about them being successful is "kidding on the square" and they really mean it.


You are absolutely WANTING to paint Cub fans as dumb and you will go to insane illogical levels to do so.

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Sex isn't dirty, sex isn't a crime. It's a loving act between two or more consenting adults.

-Hank Kingsley

Are you saying those that are on board with The Plan are dumb? I'm not saying that. I just think they're mistaken.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

No it won't because he purposely gave up the chance to win 8.

We all heard it here, RPB believes they will win 5 straight world series

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

I was kind of thinking that it is wrong to consider me "dumb" for believing in the plan. It's just a difference of opinion on the chances of success in that strategy.

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