This one should be a gimme.....

2014 Cubs bullpen > 2014 White Sox bullpen.

I will sit back and wait for the dissenters.

_________________

The numbers support this by a wide margin.

But you're grabbing at low hanging fruit. Do better.

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Equally obvious is Abreu > Rizzo and Sale > Arrieta. BUT WE CANT AGREE ON THAT NOW CAN WE.

I can agree that both are correct, but in neither case is it by much of a difference and when I watch Arrieta pitch the entire year (150 IP), it just seems effortless, I am surprised to 95 MPH when he throws. When you watch Sale pitch it is extreme vioelnce on his body and I just wont be surprised the day something pops in his arm right after a pitch and he is done pitching.

I am fine with where Rizzo and Arrieta fit into this cubs team and PLAN right now.

Oh, that Soler guy.......> Sox System

_________________
"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

I think it's funny that you assume Chris Sale will get hurt (with no injury history) but that Soler, who gets hurt all the time, is a deity. Whatever. You still can't say it, no matter how obvious it is.

Chris Sale is much better than Jake Arrieta. Obvious to everyone who pays attention to the game, Cubs fans? Nuh huh. It's always non committal.

No injury history.....Stick to NASA

_________________
Kenny Williams fell for the banana in the tailpipe

Guess what? Mark Prior had no injury history until get got injured also.

Funny how that works.

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

Rizzo has had himself a pretty damn good season, but compared to him, Jose Abreu has an avg 34 points higher, has 31 more RBI, 14 fewer strikeouts, 4 more HRs, 27 more hits, 9 more doubles, in a difference of only 30 at bats.

Whether you care to admit Steve Stone was correct or not, that is a big difference.

_________________

Several Cub fans have said that Sale is better than Arrieta (including me)


But dont let that stop you Angry Sox fans

Arrieta pitches across his body which puts tremendous stress on the shoulder. He's missed time with shoulder soreness in the past. Maybe your pitching guru buddies did one of their ridiculous mis-teach videos about it.

We'll see about both Soler and Ramirez next year when the team takes the diapers off of them.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Myself as well.

Not 'much' better. Just better.

_________________
Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

This is setting up just like the LaHair is better than Konerko stuff.

The numbers may look similar for a certain time period but ultimately the difference between the two will become obvious.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Sale takes a month off for Soreness, if you dont want to call that being hurt, good for you.

I will risk that Soler doesnt break his leg every year.

_________________
"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Because it happened one way in a vaguely related circumstance therefore it's likely to happen the same here? Terrific point; 'America' could provide a better argument.

_________________
Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

I noticed you didn't say I was wrong.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I figured the implication that you were trending below 'America' would be clear enough even for the dimmer amongst us to decipher.

_________________
Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

Got it.

So you are saying over the next 1-3 years, assuming both stay healthy, that Arrieta and Sale will perform at almost the same level?

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

If you can quote me saying precisely that, there's a shiny new nickel in it for you.

_________________
Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

I just want you to say I'm wrong.

Next time you want to mock someone for making a point you should be willing to say you disagree with it.

I guess "I think your point is stupid but I won't say it is wrong" is your choice though!

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Correct. During Arrieta's third Cy Young season.

_________________
Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

I dont think its like LaHair. Arrieta will be a good starter. Maybe not great like he's been this year.

but it wasn't just a broken leg and it wasn't just one season

When you are giving a guy under 25 years old a day off every second day, there is cause for concern in the future.

_________________
O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

I don't mean he will be off the team soon but to me the difference between Sale and Arrieta is much wider than it seems based on just looking at this set of numbers. Arrieta will still be good. He may even be a #1 level starter.

I may be wrong though. I just wish someone would actually say it instead of fly by insults without making their own point!

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Here you go Rick, from a Cub fan, for the record.

Sale is better than Arrieta.
Abreu is better than Rizzo.

All four of them have had good seasons this year.
The only question about whether Sale and Abreu continue to be better is health.

_________________

Thank you.

I'm all for someone disagreeing with me though. Rizzo and Arrieta may end up being as good or better than their White Sox counterparts. I just don't need the indications that I'm stupid or making a terrible point without someone being willing to say I am wrong.

_________________
You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!