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jimmypasta

Post subject: Grace was better than Konerko.

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Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:01 am

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Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:06 am

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Let's make a poll about it. 12 pages for sure then.

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Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:12 am

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Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:12 am

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jimmypasta

Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:15 am

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READ 'EM AND WEEP SOX FANS! BELOW IS GRACE AND KONERKO'S AVERAGE SEASON OVER THEIR CAREERS.

Grace in 16 years and "Paulies" 18

G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS

162 670 582 85 176 37 3 12 83 5 3 78 46 .303 .383 .442 .825

162 656 579 80 162 28 1 30 98 1 0 64 96 .279 .354 .487 .841

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Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:15 am

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And 2010's

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:18 am

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jimmypasta wrote:

Konkero has a higher OPS. He wins. Especially since they both played a power hitter's position

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Brick

Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:19 am

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2005.

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jimmypasta

Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:19 am

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OBP counts for shit? Grace has him or is pretty close in every category except HR's.

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WestmontMike

Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:20 am

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jimmypasta wrote:

I would say "what's your point?", but i know there isn't one.

It looks like 2 good players to me.

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jimmypasta

Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:21 am

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Read the thread title,that's my point.

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Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:22 am

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I'd take Grace. Better fielder. Lefthanded 1B is a thing of beauty. plus never pulled the eeyore after popping up.

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WestmontMike

Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:24 am

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jimmypasta wrote:

Read the thread title,that's my point.

You can just make the statement. The stats don't prove anything.

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jimmypasta

Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:24 am

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Check baseball reference for all-time hitter ratings,it's not even close!!

http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/ratings.cgi

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:26 am

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jimmypasta wrote:

OBP counts for shit? Grace has him or is pretty close in every category except HR's.

Its included in the OPS

On Base plus Slugging

Konerko's lead in slugging percentage is bigger than Grace's lead in on base

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:30 am

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Hatchetman wrote:

I'd take Grace. Better fielder. Lefthanded 1B is a thing of beauty. plus never pulled the eeyore after popping up.

No you wouldnt. You'd get tired of him never homering or driving in runs while Jack Clark is killing you

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jimmypasta

Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:32 am

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rogers park bryan wrote:

jimmypasta wrote:

OBP counts for shit? Grace has him or is pretty close in every category except HR's.

Its included in the OPS

On Base plus Slugging

Konerko's lead in slugging percentage is bigger than Grace's lead in on base

I also guess averaging a .303 average over 16 years is not impressive compared to Konerko at.279 for 18.

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Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:33 am

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Mark Grace wasn't better than Wally Joyner or J.T. Snow.

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:33 am

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jimmypasta wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

jimmypasta wrote:

OBP counts for shit? Grace has him or is pretty close in every category except HR's.

Its included in the OPS

On Base plus Slugging

Konerko's lead in slugging percentage is bigger than Grace's lead in on base

I also guess averaging a .303 average over 16 years is not impressive compared to Konerko at.279 for 18.

Those hits are included in OBP, which is included in OPS...

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:34 am

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Mark Grace wasn't better than Wally Joyner or J.T. Snow.

Id say those are good comparisons.

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Rod

Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:34 am

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jimmypasta wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

jimmypasta wrote:

OBP counts for shit? Grace has him or is pretty close in every category except HR's.

Its included in the OPS

On Base plus Slugging

Konerko's lead in slugging percentage is bigger than Grace's lead in on base

I also guess averaging a .303 average over 16 years is not impressive compared to Konerko at.279 for 18.

Are you serious, jimmy? One guy hit 35 homers a year. The other guy hit 12.

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WestmontMike

Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:34 am

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jimmypasta wrote:

Check baseball reference for all-time hitter ratings,it's not even close!!

http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/ratings.cgi

Do you know how those ratings are determined?

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Douchebag

Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:35 am

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WestmontMike wrote:

jimmypasta wrote:

Check baseball reference for all-time hitter ratings,it's not even close!!

http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/ratings.cgi

Do you know how those ratings are determined?

I think they are voted on by guys named Jimmy Patsa.

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Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:35 am

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rogers park bryan wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Mark Grace wasn't better than Wally Joyner or J.T. Snow.

Id say those are good comparisons.

Exactly. All 3 were better than Konerko

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jimmypasta

Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:36 am

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

jimmypasta wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

jimmypasta wrote:

OBP counts for shit? Grace has him or is pretty close in every category except HR's.

Its included in the OPS

On Base plus Slugging

Konerko's lead in slugging percentage is bigger than Grace's lead in on base

I also guess averaging a .303 average over 16 years is not impressive compared to Konerko at.279 for 18.

Are you serious, jimmy? One guy hit 35 homers a year. The other guy hit 12.

SLG % doesn't show that much of a discrepancy because Grace was a doubles machine.

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WestmontMike

Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:36 am

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Douchebag wrote:

WestmontMike wrote:

jimmypasta wrote:

Check baseball reference for all-time hitter ratings,it's not even close!!

http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/ratings.cgi

Do you know how those ratings are determined?

I think they are voted on by guys named Jimmy Patsa.

Sounds stupid, but that's pretty much it.

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Douchebag

Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:37 am

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jimmypasta wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

Are you serious, jimmy? One guy hit 35 homers a year. The other guy hit 12.

SLG % doesn't show that much of a discrepancy because Grace was a doubles machine.

Total Bases:
Mark Grace = 3,565
Paul Kornerko = 4,083

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Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:37 am

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Hey look, another Cubs/Sox discussion caused by a Cubs fan! Someone tell leashyourkids about this one!

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jimmypasta

Post subject: Re: Grace was better than Konerko.

Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:38 am

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Go ahead and laugh off Baseball reference material. I guess stats only count when you can use them in your favor. In the argument of "Grace vs. Konerko"=CASE CLOSED!

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