Wow, what crawled up your ass?

It seems that you wish for the Cubs to stay perpetually in the 1970's. Times change. Wrigley Field has changed and will continue to change. From lights to electronic billboards, more advertising to more seating. Why are you still a Cub fan, Wrigley already has gone thru some substantial changes. What about upcoming changes makes it so difficult to accept.

I agree that part of the "allure" of the Cubs has to do with Wrigley and the neighborhood. But to say that would feel that a World Series victory would be tainted and that you would enjoy it less because somehow Wrigley is not the Wrigley of the '70's or that the view of a few rooftoop bleachers are impacted really strikes me as strange.

The losing legacy? You really want to be a fan of a team with a losing legacy? WGN? The majority of Cub games have been on Comcast and WCIU for over a decade. The Cubs moving from WGN radio? Sorry, to me not a big deal.

Yeah I would like the Cubs to remain at Wrigley. But I don't care where the Cubs play as long as they win the World Series. When they do (nod to Hank Scorpio) I am not going to care where if they win in a Wrigley with a giant video or in Rosemont.

enigma gets it.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

There are a few problems with this line of thinking, the first being that the destruction of Wrigley somehow correlates to a World Series at some future date. Beyond that, even if Theo Epstein does everything he set out to do, there will still be losing seasons. The thing that drew 40,000 fans to see horrible teams was not some overriding love for the Cubs and loyalty that no other team enjoys, but rather, a throwback ballpark that created an atmosphere that was different from any other live sporting event anywhere.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

But it worked for the Sox.

But the fact that the park was filled for bad teams for so long is not a good thing for fans. In fact it would be hard to argue against the theory that full stadiums is why the trib didnt spend for so long.

I shutter to think what kind of Effort Tommy Boy would be making if the stadium was selling out every day regardless of the product

I honestly can't remember if I'm a YES or a NO at this point.

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You know me like that.

Either way, you are counted as a No.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

We're kind of going in a circle here. More fans means more money, right? So now, we're going to reduce the fans by destroying a special ballpark to motivate ownership to spend the money that isn't being generated by a modernized ballpark that is half empty?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Wrigley will stay filled because there are 5 million broheims within walking distance that need an outdoor beer garden.

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You know me like that.

Yep. A large part of my emotion when they finally do win it will be thinking about my grandmother and grandfather.

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There have been people saying this for a 100 years.

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Yep. I want my dad to see the Cubs win a WS. Why do these people hate our kin, Hank?

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When Wrigley is ruined and the Cubs still suck, they'll probably just go to El Jardin.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I did not try to imply that the renovations to Wrigley means a title. All I was trying to say is that if the Cubs were to win, I would not care about where the Cubs won.

Regarding the 40,000 fans watching bad Cub teams and how these renovations would kill the golden goose known as Wrigley as I believe JORR has said previously, I believe this a little over the top. I believe JORR has also said in the past (and correctly) that Wrigley did not always draw well and at times had the upper deck closed. However in the past 30 years Wrigley has seen record attendance, during a time the park has made some dramatic changes. Lights, more advertising (on the outfield doors, behind home plate, on the tarp, etc) increase seating, the knothole in right field, yet attendance has gone thru the roof. If you don't believe the charm of Wrigley has changed in the past 30 years, I don't think these new renovations should make you suddenly think Wrigley has become the Cell.

I know you didn't, but that seems to be an assumption a lot of people are making. In fact, it's an idea that has been expressed by Cubs management.

And I don't expect you as a Cub fan to care about a park if and when they win. Ultimately, a ballpark is just the place your team plays. If you're a Cubs fan and the Cubs played at Horner Park, I would expect that that's where you would go to see baseball.

But at the risk of turning this into another dumb Cubs/Sox thing, I'll say that Cub fans have this sense of privilege, even if some of them aren't aware of it. It shows itself in the thought that the Cubs can just have Lester or Scherzer or Price, because, after all, who wouldn't want to play for the Cubs? You can see it in the Sox attendance jokes. There are even Sox fans who just think it's a given that the Cubs are bigger, stronger, better, and have more fans and that's the way it has always been and the way it always will be. But so much of the advantage that the Cubs have held over the past thrity years is all predicated on that park and all the things that go with it as laid out by Curious Hair. All I'm saying is, don't be surprised if they ruin that special Wrigley experience and suddenly the Cubs are on more equal footing with the White Sox who are now the hip choice for the young people moving to Chicago and filling the West Loop and the South Loop.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Hold on, when you say "now" are you speaking of a hypothetical now that will come with the Ricketts kids ruining Wrigley Field, or are you saying that everyone filling up South Loop condos already prefers the Sox, and it's only going to get worse for the Cubs from here?

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I'm saying that these things take time and they are unpredictable. But it isn't outlandish to think that all of a sudden Wrigley isn't the cool place it was in 1989 and maybe the Sox have a better team and you're a guy who graduated from Michigan or Iowa and you get that first job and now you move to Aberdeen and Adams instead of Roscoe and Racine and suddenly we're seeing a lot more bros at Sox Park.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

It's also isn't outlandish to think that bros won't won't bother going to a baseball game anywhere in Chicago.

I doubt that will happen. Everybody loves to go to baseball games. They can somehow afford it even though they can't afford to see their "favorite" sport live and in person.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Not enough White Sox fans do.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

No.

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If Bros love to go to baseball games, it's to drink. I can't foresee any situation that would arise to make The Cell and the surrounding area a better place to drink than Wrigley/ville. "A better team," ha, all I've ever heard is Sox fans don't show up enough if they're good and Cubs fans show up too much when they're bad.

And I'm okay with that.

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After voting and reading this thread....

"I was meaning to say, see I'm getting confused now. I was meaning to say foul I was saying fair. Lou was saying fair, we both was saying fair so the umpires I guess said well okay, so they left it fair. That's what happened. I mean instead of saying foul I was saying fair. I meant to say foul but I wasn't saying foul. Maybe I was thinking about Robin's when he thought it was foul and it was fair. But I was out there yelling to run. So it was like one of those uhh what's that, 'Who's on first?', 'What's on second?' situations there. You know again, I'm thinking I'm saying foul but I'm actually saying fair. Lou's saying fair. It's like well, it's fair. Three outs. So I was meaning to say foul. But you know what? I don't know if it's fair or foul to be honest with you. We don't have an angle. But it just shows you that honesty pays."

Obviously this thread is a sham. It was started by a trolling White Sox fan and littered with comments by Sox fans throughout, even though the title says "For Cubs fans only". But I'll play along....

Yes, I think the plan is moving along very nicely. The tanking for a few years has resulted in many high draft choices and you don't get a Kris Bryant picking 17th. The only mistake (big) that Theo has made, was signing Jackson. He was the wrong guy and it was the wrong time anyway. Even if he was the right guy, it wasn't time to go signing a pitcher. It was fortunate in some ways that he was so terrible. had he been good, it might have screwed up the draft position. With Rizzo and Arrietta coming in trade, Coglan signed as a free agent, Soler signed out of the international pool and guys like Bryant drafted....Theo has done a really nice job. Looking forward to seeing Addison Russell towards the end of next year and Bryant winning Rookie of the Year in 2015 as the team has a winning record. If they sign a key starter or two in the offseason, it could get really interesting. With Arrietta and Hendricks already in place for the rotation, it's not far away.

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