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For me it starts if & when Jim Harbaugh is available. This team is soft undisciplined & it seems like there is just a little too much sunshine & balloons in Halas Hall.

I love what Harbaugh said the other day about his situation: "I'm not worried about what the players think about me...they need to be more concerned with what I think about them".

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For me it starts if & when Jim Harbaugh is available. This team is soft undisciplined & it seems like there is just a little too much sunshine & balloons in Halas Hall.

I love what Harbaugh said the other day about his situation: "I'm not worried about what the players think about me...they need to be more concerned with what I think about them".


If the Alex Smith being lied to about Peyton Manning story is accurate, I think it's pretty clear what Harbaugh thinks of his players...and why they allegedly.don't want to play for him. That's a poisonous way of doing business right there.

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Cutler is the Mother of All Coach-Killers for the New Millenium. Lombardi, Shula, Landry would have gone the way of Rich Kotite if they were stuck with him. I'd still fire Tresty though.

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For me it starts if & when Jim Harbaugh is available. This team is soft undisciplined & it seems like there is just a little too much sunshine & balloons in Halas Hall.

I love what Harbaugh said the other day about his situation: "I'm not worried about what the players think about me...they need to be more concerned with what I think about them".


If the Alex Smith being lied to about Peyton Manning story is accurate, I think it's pretty clear what Harbaugh thinks of his players...and why they allegedly.don't want to play for him. That's a poisonous way of doing business right there.

I think that is a legitimate concern/criticism. But I would still fucking love to have Harbaugh over Mike McCarthy, and I think McCarthy is probably a less shitty version of Marc Trestman.

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For me it starts if & when Jim Harbaugh is available. This team is soft undisciplined & it seems like there is just a little too much sunshine & balloons in Halas Hall.

I love what Harbaugh said the other day about his situation: "I'm not worried about what the players think about me...they need to be more concerned with what I think about them".


If the Alex Smith being lied to about Peyton Manning story is accurate, I think it's pretty clear what Harbaugh thinks of his players...and why they allegedly.don't want to play for him. That's a poisonous way of doing business right there.

I think that is a legitimate concern/criticism. But I would still fucking love to have Harbaugh over Mike McCarthy, and I think McCarthy is probably a less shitty version of Marc Trestman.


Oh fuck...Harbaugh in Green Bay? That would not make me happy.

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For me it starts if & when Jim Harbaugh is available. This team is soft undisciplined & it seems like there is just a little too much sunshine & balloons in Halas Hall.

I love what Harbaugh said the other day about his situation: "I'm not worried about what the players think about me...they need to be more concerned with what I think about them".


If the Alex Smith being lied to about Peyton Manning story is accurate, I think it's pretty clear what Harbaugh thinks of his players...and why they allegedly.don't want to play for him. That's a poisonous way of doing business right there.


I haven't heard that story. I'll look it up.

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For me it starts if & when Jim Harbaugh is available. This team is soft undisciplined & it seems like there is just a little too much sunshine & balloons in Halas Hall.

I love what Harbaugh said the other day about his situation: "I'm not worried about what the players think about me...they need to be more concerned with what I think about them".


If the Alex Smith being lied to about Peyton Manning story is accurate, I think it's pretty clear what Harbaugh thinks of his players...and why they allegedly.don't want to play for him. That's a poisonous way of doing business right there.


I haven't heard that story. I'll look it up.


Ok, I just read this story. Unfortunately, like it or not, the NFL is a business & people are hired & people are replaced. I agree that Harbaugh should have been up front & honest about courting Manning. As is the case with anyone in a leadership position, if he can do the job & get results, they style & technique may not matter. It isn't my style, but too each his own. I'm sure that many of us have worked for guys like this in the past, but they got results. Bottom line is Jim Harbaugh is a great great head football coach who has had success with every program that he has coached.

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For me it starts if & when Jim Harbaugh is available. This team is soft undisciplined & it seems like there is just a little too much sunshine & balloons in Halas Hall.

I love what Harbaugh said the other day about his situation: "I'm not worried about what the players think about me...they need to be more concerned with what I think about them".


If the Alex Smith being lied to about Peyton Manning story is accurate, I think it's pretty clear what Harbaugh thinks of his players...and why they allegedly.don't want to play for him. That's a poisonous way of doing business right there.


I haven't heard that story. I'll look it up.


Ok, I just read this story. Unfortunately, like it or not, the NFL is a business & people are hired & people are replaced. I agree that Harbaugh should have been up front & honest about courting Manning. As is the case with anyone in a leadership position, if he can do the job & get results, they style & technique may not matter. It isn't my style, but too each his own. I'm sure that many of us have worked for guys like this in the past, but they got results. Bottom line is Jim Harbaugh is a great great head football coach who has had success with every program that he has coached.


You know this is not about being replaced right? It's about integrity and respect. You want to sign my replacement? Fine, just answer honestly when I ask directly about it. If you lie to me, then I can't work for you because I can't trust a thing youll tell me. Bad business

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If they fired Marc Trestman at the end of this year, he'd be the shortest-tenured head coach in Bears history, ahead of someone named "Hunk Anderson" with 36. There's no chance he doesn't get at least another year.

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If they fired Marc Trestman at the end of this year, he'd be the shortest-tenured head coach in Bears history, ahead of someone named "Hunk Anderson" with 36. There's no chance he doesn't get at least another year.



Unless the season goes totally south from here and they end up going 3-13.

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You guys are dreaming if you think Trestman will be fired before his contract is up. The Bears are too cheap to do that and then still have to pay him two more years. I am surprised they did it with Lovie for one year. The only reason that happened is cause Angelo got fired, and the McCaskey's gave Emery the green light to call the shots with Lovie when he was not his guy. But Trestman is Emery's guy so firing Trestman would be an indictment of Uncle Phil, too. It will be like what happened with all the offensive coordinators that went through the door under Lovie, being made scapegoats. They might fire Mel Tucker and the special teams coach. The Bears might announce after the season that there will be a new play caller/OC, so that Trestman can focus on the whole team, not just offense. They will spin it in whatever way to buy time and another season. This has been the sad state of the Bears for many years. I can only imagine how elated Danny Mac was that the Bears fired Lovie, only to be horrified by the choice in Trestman. No doubt he thought Trestman was a third-tier candidate and not NFL head coaching material, not when there were guys the Bears could have gone after that were much better qualified, like Billick and Gruden. Billick would have been an excellent choice. Hell, I would even have taken Wade Phillips at this point.


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Rube is correct.

Trestman isn't going anywhere. It will go down just like the Lovie regime: fire assistant coach after coach.....then eventually the HC goes and then the GM.

And then sweaty Teddy can hire the wrong guys again.


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You guys are dreaming if you think Trestman will be fired before his contract is up. The Bears are too cheap to do that and then still have to pay him two more years. I am surprised they did it with Lovie for one year. The only reason that happened is cause Angelo got fired, and the McCaskey's gave Emery the green light to call the shots with Lovie when he was not his guy. But Trestman is Emery's guy so firing Trestman would be an indictment of Uncle Phil, too. It will be like what happened with all the offensive coordinators that went through the door under Lovie, being made scapegoats. They might fire Mel Tucker and the special teams coach. The Bears might announce after the season that there will be a new play caller/OC, so that Trestman can focus on the whole team, not just offense. They will spin it in whatever way to buy time and another season. This has been the sad state of the Bears for many years. I can only imagine how elated Danny Mac was that the Bears fired Lovie, only to be horrified by the choice in Trestman. No doubt he thought Trestman was a third-tier candidate and not NFL head coaching material, not when there were guys the Bears could have gone after that were much better qualified, like Billick and Gruden. Billick would have been an excellent choice. Hell, I would even have taken Wade Phillips at this point.


You mean it won't happen like it did to the last two coaches?

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That's true, Seacrest.

They'll wait until there is one year left on the deal.


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Oh fuck...Harbaugh


Remove the ellipsis and that's the correct attitude to have.

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You guys are dreaming if you think Trestman will be fired before his contract is up. The Bears are too cheap to do that and then still have to pay him two more years. I am surprised they did it with Lovie for one year. The only reason that happened is cause Angelo got fired, and the McCaskey's gave Emery the green light to call the shots with Lovie when he was not his guy. But Trestman is Emery's guy so firing Trestman would be an indictment of Uncle Phil, too. It will be like what happened with all the offensive coordinators that went through the door under Lovie, being made scapegoats. They might fire Mel Tucker and the special teams coach. The Bears might announce after the season that there will be a new play caller/OC, so that Trestman can focus on the whole team, not just offense. They will spin it in whatever way to buy time and another season. This has been the sad state of the Bears for many years. I can only imagine how elated Danny Mac was that the Bears fired Lovie, only to be horrified by the choice in Trestman. No doubt he thought Trestman was a third-tier candidate and not NFL head coaching material, not when there were guys the Bears could have gone after that were much better qualified, like Billick and Gruden. Billick would have been an excellent choice. Hell, I would even have taken Wade Phillips at this point.


You mean it won't happen like it did to the last two coaches?


No, cause Trestman is Emery's guy. Lovie was not Emery's guy. It's that simple.

This next game will be telling as far as Trestman's future. If softball critics like Bernstein are turning on Trestman after just 5 games, that sentiment will soon pervade the entire Chicago sports media complex, and there will be no place for Trestman and Emery to hide. We just had the Morrisey article calling out Emery a week ago, though he granted there is not going to be any accountability (yet). Look at all the press conferences Trestman has been having. I'm sure he doesn't want to do them, but the Bears are telling him to do them to somehow soften the media's criticism. But it's going to blow up in his face badly with the stupid t-shirts this week, if the Bears don't win or worse get slaughtered against ATL. It could be that bad. As Han Solo once said, "I've got a bad feeling about this."


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That's true, Seacrest.

They'll wait until there is one year left on the deal.


But they will pay him of like they have done in the past.

Lovie got $5M last year to watch games with Tedford.

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I still have faith in Trestman. The Bears have had to deal with quite a few bad injuries on offense. I'm not excusing his bad play calling last week but I am not going to panic either.

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I still have faith in Trestman. The Bears have had to deal with quite a few bad injuries on offense. I'm not excusing his bad play calling last week but I am not going to panic either.

Who all is hurt, the main stars are playing?

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I still have faith in Trestman. The Bears have had to deal with quite a few bad injuries on offense. I'm not excusing his bad play calling last week but I am not going to panic either.

Who all is hurt, the main stars are playing?


3 starting OL have missed time. #1 and #2 WR are both playing well below 100%.

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I still have faith in Trestman. The Bears have had to deal with quite a few bad injuries on offense. I'm not excusing his bad play calling last week but I am not going to panic either.

Who all is hurt, the main stars are playing?


3 starting OL have missed time. #1 and #2 WR are both playing well below 100%.

The wide receivers are fine, I haven't seen one play the last couple of weeks that makes me think either are hurt. Who has been out on the OL the last couple of weeks?

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I still have faith in Trestman. The Bears have had to deal with quite a few bad injuries on offense. I'm not excusing his bad play calling last week but I am not going to panic either.

Who all is hurt, the main stars are playing?


Cutler is the only one that hasn't been injured this year. Marshall and Jeffrey are still limited. Last week Forte could barely open and close his left hand. The Bears have had to play without 2 of their starters on the offensive line every game this season.

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I still have faith in Trestman. The Bears have had to deal with quite a few bad injuries on offense. I'm not excusing his bad play calling last week but I am not going to panic either.

Who all is hurt, the main stars are playing?


3 starting OL have missed time. #1 and #2 WR are both playing well below 100%.

The wide receivers are fine, I haven't seen one play the last couple of weeks that makes me think either are hurt. Who has been out on the OL the last couple of weeks?


Slauson and Garza for the beginning of the season and then Bushrod recently.

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I still have faith in Trestman. The Bears have had to deal with quite a few bad injuries on offense. I'm not excusing his bad play calling last week but I am not going to panic either.

Who all is hurt, the main stars are playing?


Cutler is the only one that hasn't been injured this year. Marshall and Jeffrey are still limited. Last week Forte could barely open and close his left hand. The Bears have had to play without 2 of their starters on the offensive line every game this season.

God damn, how much kleenex do you need for all of that whining. Marshall and Jeffrey are fine. And the Forted stuff, well :lol:. What starters were out the last 2 weeks on the OL?

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I still have faith in Trestman. The Bears have had to deal with quite a few bad injuries on offense. I'm not excusing his bad play calling last week but I am not going to panic either.
Every team deals with injuries and/or suspensions.

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I still have faith in Trestman. The Bears have had to deal with quite a few bad injuries on offense. I'm not excusing his bad play calling last week but I am not going to panic either.

Who all is hurt, the main stars are playing?


Cutler is the only one that hasn't been injured this year. Marshall and Jeffrey are still limited. Last week Forte could barely open and close his left hand. The Bears have had to play without 2 of their starters on the offensive line every game this season.

God damn, how much kleenex do you need for all of that whining. Marshall and Jeffrey are fine. And the Forted stuff, well :lol:. What starters were out the last 2 weeks on the OL?


Whining and stating facts are two very different things. Cutler needs to play better.

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I still have faith in Trestman. The Bears have had to deal with quite a few bad injuries on offense. I'm not excusing his bad play calling last week but I am not going to panic either.
Every team deals with injuries and/or suspensions.


True. When those injuries happen to key guys it becomes difficult to win. Santonio Holmes can't be your healthiest receiver or you'll have problems. Let's not for the Bears won't get the guy they were counting on to be their 3rd receiver until after the Bye Week. All these things make Trestman's and Cutler's job even more difficult.

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Again, it keeps getting stated that Marshall and Jeffrey are hurt, please show me a play where they look hurt. I haven't seen it.

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