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this personally reminds me of senior year of HS where i was in the 80s/2nd-highest-level calculus classes and for the life of me i just had some problem grasping a core concept of the whole giant delta X equation that eventually teaches us why the laws of sines/cosines work the way that they do, and when i kept asking my teacher for help she got frustrated because i just wasn't grasping whatever concept i needed to know, and instead of challenging herself to find out where the flaw in my thinking process was coming from and thus helping me overcome that menta block to properly understand the concept, she instead muttered "you're beyond help" and kept on going on the chalkboard for the rest of the test.


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Did. Not. Happen.


Oh, the fuck it did not happen. Did you not take math classes in high school? Everybody knows that math teachers can't teach, they can only regurgitate information and if you can't figure it out then that's your problem. English teachers will make you get it right, history teachers will make you get it right, music teachers will woodshed you until you hate your instrument and your life, but math teachers just lay it out, take it or leave it, the train's leaving the station. Of every sinicalypse story, the one you struggle to find veracity in is in a math teacher being bad at teaching?

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My kids are all out of school. I really need to move somewhere where there are no schools!


Chicago, if Rahm Emanuel has his way!

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this personally reminds me of senior year of HS where i was in the 80s/2nd-highest-level calculus classes and for the life of me i just had some problem grasping a core concept of the whole giant delta X equation that eventually teaches us why the laws of sines/cosines work the way that they do, and when i kept asking my teacher for help she got frustrated because i just wasn't grasping whatever concept i needed to know, and instead of challenging herself to find out where the flaw in my thinking process was coming from and thus helping me overcome that menta block to properly understand the concept, she instead muttered "you're beyond help" and kept on going on the chalkboard for the rest of the test.


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Did. Not. Happen.


Oh, the fuck it did not happen. Did you not take math classes in high school? Everybody knows that math teachers can't teach, they can only regurgitate information and if you can't figure it out then that's your problem. English teachers will make you get it right, history teachers will make you get it right, music teachers will woodshed you until you hate your instrument and your life, but math teachers just lay it out, take it or leave it, the train's leaving the station. Of every sinicalypse story, the one you struggle to find veracity in is in a math teacher being bad at teaching?


I doubt your English teacher ever made you get it right.


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My kids are all out of school. I really need to move somewhere where there are no schools!



Lots of people in your situation that live/lived in the Bloom Township school district............didn't work out too well for the school.


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I guess that if you believe that money is the only answer than you need to rethink the gathering. Property taxing for schools is never going to be closer to equal. Large cities have too many poor renters with many kids filling schools. I doubt there is a rate at which landlords pay property taxes to cover all of that.

I really do not know but a new or increased tax must hit everyone in some way. In PA school funding comes in part from a local school tax. As far as I can tell in most parts townships/districts collect a 1% flat tax on ant/all income of individuals out of paycheck. Not sure how fair it is or effective but it seems to work.

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I also hope the charter movement finds some of the needed solutions.

I think specialized, community-based charter schools are terrific: gifted schools, math/science academies, schools for autism, et cetera. It's the private-equity-backed big ones I'm distrustful of. There's a little too much Monetize Everything going on for me.

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The state sends money to districts under an ancient formula, and the activists want to change that formula to reduce the overall inequality between rich and poor schools.

I'll leave it at that.

Sounds reasonable to me.

Yeah, Im in favor of equality. Dont see the issue there.

Kinda seems like we want poor people to work their way out of poverty but we dont want to give them any tools to do so


Giving them more money wont improve truancy & the lousy graduation rates. The problems are deep & throwing money at it will be a waste.

My kids are all out of school. I really need to move somewhere where there are no schools!


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Funding is definitely an issue for many of these schools. If you step 1 foot inside or in most cases just drove past that would be clear.

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I know most of you without kids don't care, but my kid's school district is sending out panic letters and I wanted to know if others knew more about this. Apparently there is an Illinois school funding reform act that will change the way taxes are distributed. Apparently our school district stands to lose 70% of funding if the bill passes the house, which I find hard to believe. Here is a link:

http://illinoistimes.com/article-13966-clock-ticking-for-school-funding-reform.html


hey CLH call it a hunch you live in an area that's mostly white, right? well consider this a check of your white privilege because for hundreds of years white people oppressed minorities/blacks that way.... like do you think they ever had any funding for their inner city schools?

so yeah now that you thought you could "escape" out to the suburbs and live a life of white privilege with $$$ for education and whatnot.... nope! it's your turn to have institutionalized poverty all around you as your area turns into flint michigan or something. welcome to the rest of the world, you CIS scum! i hope you enjoy the ride..... cuz lord knows there ain't enough $$$ to teach your kids to strive/yearn/desire for anything else!

so yeah don't fight it or even raise a ruckus. you had hundreds of years of having every advantage in the books (cuz it's not a case of "the haves" versus "the have nots" --- it's 100% clearly racism and literally a black-n-white issue) so now it's your turn to be disadvantaged and what's that? every american is free to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and go out and get a piece of the americone dream (still available after the colbert repor goes off their air WHAT WHAT?!?! =) even tho they're not exactly quoting ralph wiggum when they say "me fail english? that's unpossible!"

btw, if it makes you feel any better we've got common core initiatives out there where some of the people at the top of that initiative think that, example, if a kid says 4x3 = 11 s/he's not necessarily wrong as long as they can reasonably explain to the teacher how they came to the whole conclusion that 4x3 = 11. so yeah when a core tenet of contemporary educational intitiatives says that there's no room for cold hard SO-CALLED FACTS like "4x3=12" because the kid who gets that ? wrong might have his feelings hurt and in the end everyone's feelings are paramount over their knowledge.... welp yeah, just know that your kid is never wrong and you, sir, need to check your white privilege! and after that, realize that 4x3=12 only exists in a world decimated by a racist patriarchy that has forced these impossible conditions on minorities for hundreds of years and nowadays we're soooo progressive that we're not going to make it an issue that 4x312 because how can you fail a kid who thinks 4x3=11 when they have a thoughtful and reasoned explanation as to how they reached that conclusion.

this personally reminds me of senior year of HS where i was in the 80s/2nd-highest-level calculus classes and for the life of me i just had some problem grasping a core concept of the whole giant delta X equation that eventually teaches us why the laws of sines/cosines work the way that they do, and when i kept asking my teacher for help she got frustrated because i just wasn't grasping whatever concept i needed to know, and instead of challenging herself to find out where the flaw in my thinking process was coming from and thus helping me overcome that menta block to properly understand the concept, she instead muttered "you're beyond help" and kept on going on the chalkboard for the rest of the test.

so when that quiz/exam/test/whatever came and i had to answer the question with the big equation with delta Xs and stuff instead of attempting to answer it and failing miserably (in this case, understanding that 4x3=12) after easily answering the question using the law of sines/cosines/whatever but still being wrong because i didnt know how to break it down to the delta X stuff, i wrote a veritable essay about how if my teacher had decided to earn her likely 75-100k/+ with benefits that i might have a chance of answering this question, however since i was "beyond help" i dont think its fair for me to be expected to answer this question because my attempts to get help were met with literally-public-mockery.

so yeah back then i was yanked out into a parent/teacher/dept-head conference where the teacher said she can't handle me because there's a whole class of kids who need to learn at a certain pace to cover all of the source material and she can't go out of her way to accomodate me and it was my duty to go and seek out special tutoring and/or help from toher students (and seeing as the only help was able to get was "dude that shit you're doing is pointless because you're going to get the law of sines and cosines out of this and from that point on you never go back to that delta X stuff ever you just accept the laws of sines/cosines as fact and move on, yeap, couldnt find any way to help me with delta X) --- i ended up dropping math for the senior year and resigning myself to starting college at a lower level (it would take me 2-3 tries to get through calc2) and having another free period where i was able to drive around and do whatever (because one of the joys of modular scheduling at the time was that gym classes, let alone study halls, couldn't enforce attendance so i went from study hall to free period)

but given that situation nowadays, if common core was around i would have been lauded for my bravery in not-answering that question with a reasonable explanation because indeed, 4x3=11, and i wouldn't have been docked points for that non-answer-answer and i would have stayed in 80s math and seeing as i gave relatively-way-more of a shit back in HS than i did college, yeah, maybe i stay in that class and my GPA is higher/better and i apply to UIUC for compsci where it turns out my dad had a guy on the board of admissions so i was into the program if i wanted to be (white privilege no doubt! it's not cuz my dad knows the guy, it's cuz we're all white. duh!) but i didnt want to get rejected by my dream school/major so i never bothered to apply and instead of going away to school i stayed in chicago and didnt finish school and well, non-life-life ensues.

so yeah TL;DR = your white privilege is getting checked and look at how you bitch bitch bitch and moan when this is how hte "have nots" have had it for hundreds of years and hey look they survived! parliament funkadelic nailed it when they say "if you can dance after you've been through what we've been through you can dance on the water and not get wet" so yeah TL;DR nicolas cage's hair is a bird and your argument is irrelevant aka THERE IS NO ARGUMENT HERE. THE EVIDENCE IS IN. THERE IS NO DEBATE cuz on the CSFMB hearkening everything to a il danny beer-stine quote/MO is in fact the lowest common denominator.

and 4x3=11. welcome to 2014, CLH. hope you enjoy the social justice on tap!


Have you not seen all my posts about how much I hate white people?

I don't disagree with equality in the system of funding, just so long as my kid gets a good enough education get into a college that I'll pay a ton of money for.

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I had a good math teacher once. Mr. Ottley. Good guy. Not all teachers suck. Most but not all.

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CH makes a good point and makes me laugh at my experience. I had no idea what the fuck was going on in algebra freshman year. Not doing well at all. Then a coach/teacher takes me aside and says what is wrong with you. I explained I am not getting it. We sat down for an hour and damn after that the light of the world shone and math was easy.

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The way they found schools in this state is bad. You are only in a good position if you have a bunch of high priced houses or industry that has not been made into TIF districts.

- Last I heard the state is only funding districts at about 80% of what they are supposed to give anyways.


89% per the link and article I posted. Interesting to see how much more Chicago gets from the Feds and State vs. suburbs.


It is all based on formulas.

- You are supposed to get at least 6,119 per student based on your school's best three month average from previous year. Though you can go back farther to protect against sudden drops. That is if state is funding at 100% which it certainly is not.

-Chicago does not even tax at the minimum level for a unit district which is 3% of 33.3% of a houses value.

- Any area with poverty gets additional federal money in which a complicated formula is used. For example if you have 20% low income you get an additional 400 or so dollars per kid from government for those 20%. I wish I didn't toss my notes for this class as I could have provided the formula.

- Even if the district is so rich their local property taxes cover what ever the state is supposed to give you, the state still gives your school $218 per kid.

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Well Conns it seems to me really they have money. I wonder where else the problem may lie? I do not have answers.

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I guess that if you believe that money is the only answer than you need to rethink the gathering. Property taxing for schools is never going to be closer to equal. Large cities have too many poor renters with many kids filling schools. I doubt there is a rate at which landlords pay property taxes to cover all of that.

I really do not know but a new or increased tax must hit everyone in some way. In PA school funding comes in part from a local school tax. As far as I can tell in most parts townships/districts collect a 1% flat tax on ant/all income of individuals out of paycheck. Not sure how fair it is or effective but it seems to work.


Yes, and in PA they are also trying to eliminate the property tax (which we have on top of all Pittmike discusses for schools) and instead raise the sales tax (to 7%, I think) and to have the sales tax include things it does not include now (like food at the grocery store...it doesn't get taxed now).

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The British Government has made a big push on their version of charter schools. I know there is a domestic debate about the effectiveness of these schools. However, they appear to be quite successful in England.

"Education reform
The new school rules
The academies programme has transformed England’s educational landscape
Oct 11th 2014 | From the print edition

THE King Solomon Academy, a squat modern building overshadowed by social-housing tower blocks in central London, feels like the kind of inner-city school that reformers dream of creating. The mood is attentive, the walls festooned with quotes enjoining pupils to aim high.

The school, set up in 2007, is run by ARK, one of the charities, regulated by the government, that are reshaping English education. King Solomon says it wants to be “transformational” and, so far, it has succeeded. Fully 93% of the school’s 16-year-olds gained five good pass grades in core subjects in their GCSE exams this year, compared with 64% in the capital as a whole, even though three-fifths of its pupils come from homes with low incomes.

The Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition came to power aiming to improve England’s dismal showing in global education rankings (it came 26th in the recent maths-centred round of PISA tests run by the OECD). It swiftly embarked on a mission to expand the conversion of state schools into so-called academies. The last Labour government began the project in 2002, creating non-selective schools financed from the public purse but outside the control of local authorities, which for decades had presided over a patchy system of state secondary schools, known as comprehensives.

It is uphill work. A country that funds education quite generously (13% of government spending, in the top third of outlays on schools in the developed world) lags far behind Asian high-performers such as South Korea, Japan and Hong Kong as well as improvers closer to home, such as Germany, which in the past decade has reversed its poor performance.

Under Michael Gove, a reformist education secretary, the coalition sought to speed up reforms, boosting the number of academies to about 4,000, almost 20 times as many as in 2010. That means about two-thirds of all English secondary schools now control their own staffing, curriculum and budgets. Mr Gove also created 250 free schools, with another 112 pending: usually new startups, set up by parents or community groups, with the same freedoms as academies but often smaller in scale. (Scotland and Wales have stayed aloof from the experiment, wary of the more fragmented educational landscape they fear it creates.)

The reforms have shown commendable vim, compared with the halting overhauls of other major public services such as health and welfare. An “unprecedented change in England’s schools” is under way, says Stephen Machin, an economics professor at University College London. But with a general election due in May 2015, nervousness about the impact of the upheaval is apparent. In July the prime minister abruptly replaced the combative Mr Gove (who called opponents of his reforms “the blob”). His replacement, Nicky Morgan, has struck a more soothing tone. She has gone out of her way to express commitment to raising standards across the entire spectrum of schools. It is, however, the success of academies that will determine how impressive the coalition’s reforms look to voters next May.

The dash for more autonomy has quickly created two varieties of academy. In 2010 all 203 academies were sponsored by businesses, religious groups or charities, and mainly set up to replace under-performing schools. Most of the more recent converters, by contrast, have not benefited from the external guidance of sponsors, whether individuals, other schools or charitable foundations. Instead, they are trying to change directly from being council-run schools to academies—a harder task.

On the up

The good news for the reformers is that, where academies are well-run, the results vindicate the argument for greater freedoms. Two new pieces of research, tracking pupils from schools which converted to academies before 2010, suggest that more freedoms for those who run schools can indeed raise results for both richer pupils and those from less well-off backgrounds (an important point, since many opponents on the left fret that academies attract middle-class parents and neglect the less privileged).

A report entitled “Chain Effect” for the Sutton Trust, which promotes social mobility, found that in the five leading academy chains, the proportion of poor pupils achieving five good GCSEs is at least 15 percentage points higher than the average for similar pupils in non-academy schools.

A separate study by Professor Machin and Andrew Eyles at the London School of Economics identified “beneficial effects” in schools becoming academies. Rates of improvement were also faster for more autonomous schools than for general secondary schools, and the biggest improvements were in schools converting from comprehensives, rather than from other types, such as church schools. “Autonomy”, the authors conclude, “effectively acts to facilitate school improvement.” Additional research shows that 43% of pupils entitled to free school meals in comprehensives that did not convert to the academy model gained five good GCSEs. That rose to 45% in those that did convert—a small increase, but achieved rapidly.

Half-full or half-empty?

Alas, this promising picture describes only about half of the schools set free from local authorities. There are strikingly large differences in the performances of academy chains. One, the E-ACT chain which ran over 30 schools, was ordered to hand ten back to central government control earlier this year. Sir David Bell, the most senior civil servant in charge of the school reforms in 2007-10, now vice-chancellor of Reading University, thinks larger chains can acquire some of the same problems that local authorities had, “being too big to have oversight over what happens in individual schools and too bureaucratic”. Hopes that big providers might offer consistent quality at scale have faded, to be replaced by an acknowledgment that keeping chains small or medium-sized may prove more reliable.

Supporters of academies want to see the best chains expand, driving out bad ones. In practice this can be painfully slow, because the best chains tend to expand prudently rather than rush to create empires. Liam Nolan, who heads the Perry Beeches network of six academies and free schools around Birmingham, says he favours “close-knit families of schools” in geographically close areas, where staff can be swapped around or moved to more senior jobs within the group. Mr Nolan thinks success is achieved by “spreading an ethos as well as technical teaching tips”. But this leaves post-Gove reformers wondering how to sustain a rapid pace of reform without compromising on quality.

This tension runs through school reforms in many countries. Germany, for example, is struggling to apply to other areas the changes it made to secondary education in Saxony, which closed poorly performing schools. A number of lessons from America’s best charter schools (a forerunner of academies) might help. A study of the most successful ones by Roland Fryer of Harvard University found that the quality of school heads was closely monitored and underperformers were quickly ousted. Longer school days improved literacy and numeracy, especially among the less able. Performance data—still erratically used in English schools—were deployed to track pupils’ progress.
No blobs here, Mr Gove

The standard of inspectorates also matters. Sweden’s free-school movement, for instance, was let down by poor follow-up from inspectors. Sir Michael Wilshaw, head of Ofsted, the British government’s schools watchdog, has fought for more powers to examine academy chains—an overdue step.

Meanwhile the fate of the free-school programme looks less certain. The coalition’s reformers hoped they would boost innovation by allowing parents or community groups to start schools. Few doubt that the momentum driving the creation of new free schools will falter if Labour, which is cool about the experiment, is elected in May, so many potential founders are rushing in their applications now. And even with the present government’s backing, free schools represent a mere 4% of the total number of schools in 2014, rising to around 6% by 2015.

One reason the government talks less enthusiastically about free schools than it did is that they can cause headaches over accountability. In one dramatic example, the Muslim al-Madinah free school in the city of Derby closed this year after complaints of fundamentalist proselytising, intimidation of non-Muslim staff and poor teaching. The saga suggests that badly run schools can decline more quickly than national inspectors can monitor. Attempts to agree upon a middle tier of local accountability that does not involve handing power back to local authorities have been fraught.

The words of the non-profits

But accountability is not the same as momentum, and some believe the best way to turbocharge the reforms would be to allow for-profit operators into the mix. Toby Young, a journalist who became one of the first free-school founders in London, argues that such a move would overcome regulatory and bureaucratic obstacles. Allowing for-profit chains to operate (as in America and Sweden) might well help expand the limited pool of people willing to start new schools. Allowing only non-profit groups to become new providers has encouraged the overexpansion of some chains, often with little competition. Ms Morgan says that she would like to revisit the argument, though she freely admits that “most people wouldn’t like it”.

One interim solution is to encourage other successful academic institutions to oversee academies. Birmingham University is launching an academy, which will also train new teachers. University College London has created a specialist science school. The private sector is also being encouraged to sponsor more academies; Wellington College, a leading private school, has added a primary school to the secondary school it already runs.

For all the gripes about academies, often from vested interests (notably teachers’ unions) who prefer the state to dominate the provision of education, England’s secondary-education system has adapted quickly to new freedoms. It needs to use more of them, driving out weaker heads and teachers and finding quicker ways of exposing and fixing failures. Yet a tour of the country’s new breed of schools is, on the whole, an uplifting experience. It shows a more diverse system, one more firmly focused on improvement.

One lesson stands out: the culture of achievement, especially in literacy, has to be instilled before children reach their stroppy, secondary-school years. So fixing education should start younger, with more academies, like King Solomon, taking pupils from the age of three up to 18. For all their flaws and failings, the new schools have injected something exciting into a once-moribund education landscape: the belief that regardless of wealth or background, schools can transform lives.

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I had a good math teacher once. Mr. Ottley. Good guy. Not all teachers suck. Most but not all.


Been to a Chicago Public School? Like any other employment situation cliques exist and nothing is more evident then on field trips or special events held by a school, as my sister assumes the role of principal in one of these fine schools, she asks for my help for some events. let's just say, it takes me 30 seconds to identify the core group of Karen Lewis supporters...and I am sure they also heavily support McDonalds, Naps, Lane Bryant and reinforced furniture.

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We over here in the Mitten revised our school funding a couple of decades ago. Here in our little microcosm of society in the Far East Suburbs, the huge, urban district located in the ruins of white flight suddenly started to receive the largest per-student allotment from the state within 50 miles. The large, mostly white neighbor district and medium, bedroom community district saw their amounts cut.

Now, the large urban district lays near bankruptcy, having shrunk from 2500 HS students to under 800, with four charter schools inside the borders of the district getting the same, huge per-student stipend. The two nearby districts have gone wild with assessments to build fantastic new sports facilities and remodel the HS from top to bottom. Each has swollen to Class A size (1100 HSish). Another, larger, rural district has opened it's doors via schools-of-choice and now has 2-3 daily buses delivering kids to parking lots just outside the large urban district 15 miles away.

Hardest hit of all are two tiny, rural districts, one white, one black (mostly, in each case) which plunged forward back in the 70s with huge, Class A-amenities type buildings funded by taxes paid by a huge utility facility located in each district. Those huge tax payments now get divvied up by the State and the local schools receive below average per-student amounts in return. Neither can even pay to maintain what they built 40 years ago.

It sucks all the way around. We pay our share of taxes, then opt for tuition in our church schools.


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Kadner: An education on school funding

By Phil Kadner

If a politician opens his mouth to talk about school funding in Illinois, chances are good he’s lying.

That’s the one hard and fast recommendation I have for voters and taxpayers after writing about education financing in this state for nearly 25 years.

It holds true for the current election for governor, where both candidates are promising to improve public school funding. It’s all about helping the children, don’t you know.

I was the first to expose the shell game that state legislators played with state lottery money, which was sold to the public for many years (via radio commercials) as a way of financing public education.

Money from the lottery did go to education.

What lawmakers did not tell people was that while the lottery money was rolling in, they were reducing the amount of state revenue normally allocated for public schools from other tax sources.

That’s a well-known con game known as “bait-and-switch.”

Over a period of decades, that scam meant the state went from funding about 40 percent of the cost of a public education in Illinois to about 27 percent today.

That also meant your property tax bill skyrocketed because that tax became the primary source of school funding in this state.

In fact, no other state relies so heavily on the property tax to finance its public schools.

No other state ranks lower in the share of money it provides for K-12 education.

And some of the poorest communities in Illinois pay the highest property tax rates as a result.

Park Forest and Riverdale have tax rates of 28.7 and 24.4 percent, respectively. Harvey has a rate of 24.2 percent, Chicago Heights 23.6 percent, Dolton 22.3 percent and Markham 22 percent.

The wealthy suburb of Northfield, by comparison, has one of the lowest property tax rates at 6.5 percent. Other north suburbs such as Inverness (6.6 percent) and Northbrook (7.2 percent) enjoy low rates.

That’s unfair. And really harmful to taxpayers and businesses.

Former state Sen. James Meeks, a Chicago Democrat, was one of the few politicians who attempted to rectify the situation several years ago by proposing an income tax hike that would be used to fund public education and reduce property tax rates.

That was long before the Legislature imposed the current “temporary” 5 percent income tax to bail out the state pension systems, which lawmakers for many years deliberately failed to adequately fund.

After failing to get his bill passed, Meeks threatened to run for governor against Rod Blagojevich unless Blagojevich promised to support school funding reform.

Blagojevich agreed, knowing that if Meeks (a popular black minister) ran for governor he could take enough minority votes away from Blagojevich to throw the race to a Republican.

Blagojevich lied, but that particular deception wasn’t part of the federal indictment that eventually sent him to prison. Lying about school funding is not a crime in Illinois.

When the state first created an income tax (2.5 percent) in 1969, Republican Gov. Richard Ogilvie vowed that the money would be used for public education.

Video gambling and casino gambling in Illinois were also sold, in part, as ways to increase revenue for public education and teacher pension funds.

Three blue-ribbon panels were appointed by governors over the years to study the problems of public education and financing. Each came up with the same conclusion — more state money was needed for the public schools.

The panels also recommended a change in Illinois’ school funding formula, which determines how the state distributes the money it has to school districts.

For nearly 20 years, people have complained that the way the state distributes money via the funding formula sends too much money to wealthy school districts and too little to property-poor districts that often have more challenged students attending their schools.

This year, the Illinois Senate chose to pass legislation changing the funding formula.

But for such a change to actually occur, said the wise old heads in the Legislature, you needed more money coming in to prevent any school district from losing money. Otherwise, lawmakers whose school districts would lose state funds were unlikely to support revising the formula.

From the standpoint of education, because the state was already underfunding its public schools, merely moving money around would not solve any problems — it would merely harm school districts providing a high quality of education.

As it turned out, the school funding formula was not changed in the spring session of the Legislature because nobody in Springfield wanted to increase the amount of state money going to the schools.

But with Illinois facing a financial crisis and the temporary income tax set to expire Dec. 31, the issue of the funding formula is not going away. The House could vote on the Legislation in this fall’s veto session.

So across the state, school districts are holding town hall meetings to explain to voters why they should oppose, or support, altering the formula. On such meeting for Southland communities is scheduled for 6 p.m. Thursday at Carl Sandburg High School, 13300 LaGrange Road, Orland Park.

Orland School District 135 officials estimate that the district will lose more than 80 percent of its state funding if the House agrees to revise the funding formula.

Bruce Rauner, the Republican candidate for governor, pledges that, if elected, he will freeze property tax rates, reduce the state income tax and somehow still increase school funding.

Gov. Pat Quinn vows to make the 5 percent income tax permanent and boost school funding by about $1 billion a year, while offering some property owners a tax credit.

As always, both politicians say it’s all about improving the schools for your children.

My advice would be to believe no politician when it comes to public education.

It’s all about winning elections, not helping the kids.

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Conns is 100% correct.

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Do private schools have to adhere to goofy state curriculums? Do they get all the shitty state tests that the teachers do nothing with? My husband went to public schools k-12th, I was Catholic school pk-12th. I don't like what I'm seeing with our kids and am considering going private.


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Do private schools have to adhere to goofy state curriculums? Do they get all the shitty state tests that the teachers do nothing with? My husband went to public schools k-12th, I was Catholic school pk-12th. I don't like what I'm seeing with our kids and am considering going private.


Your in DG, right? Schools there are pretty good, no?

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I guess...I see things that I don't like and I talk to people. If the private schools are not bound by what the public schools are then I might consider the change.


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Conns is 100% correct.

Conns didn't say anything. He posted an article.

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Do private schools have to adhere to goofy state curriculums? Do they get all the shitty state tests that the teachers do nothing with? My husband went to public schools k-12th, I was Catholic school pk-12th. I don't like what I'm seeing with our kids and am considering going private.



No they do not.

That curriculum is called Common Core.

The Catholic schools in your Diocese have also adopted it.

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I earlier referred to MA and FL being a big success. Here is an article on why, mainly for MA.

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/ ... s-can-work

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Conns is 100% correct.

Conns didn't say anything. He posted an article.


:lol:

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Douchebag wrote:
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Conns is 100% correct.

Conns didn't say anything. He posted an article.


Douchebag is 100% correct.

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Do private schools have to adhere to goofy state curriculums? Do they get all the shitty state tests that the teachers do nothing with? My husband went to public schools k-12th, I was Catholic school pk-12th. I don't like what I'm seeing with our kids and am considering going private.



No they do not.

That curriculum is called Common Core.

The Catholic schools in your Diocese have also adopted it.


They do not, but try to. Catholic schools would take ISATs if state allowed it. Instead Terra Nova is used and this year 8th Grade will take the Aspire test.

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Conns is 100% correct.

Conns didn't say anything. He posted an article.


Huh?


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I have no idea idea why most parents send their kids to catholic schools....essentially what they want is exactly what the public school does minus the "problem" kids.

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