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“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Why are the police hassling us? We're doing nothing wrong.



Why are the police hassling us? I'm only resisting arrest.



Why are the police hassling us? I'm only trying to get my point across.

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Rick Hahn is the best GM in baseball.

ok...

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I'm not sure which is more disturbing, your ignorance/naivety, or the fact that you seem to be proud of it.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

Police err on the side of caution because these events happen to them daily. They have to protect themselves as well as the greater public.

I'm appreciative of those that risk their safety on behalf of citizens.

You're proud of your unwarranted "progressiveness."

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A somewhat obscure live album some of you might be interested in tracking down: http://www.amazon.com/Live-Beacon-York-Rock-Revue/dp/B000002L0E

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

They actually don't have to protect the public. They are under no legal obligation to do so.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

So, it's okay for them to do whatever they want? It's not okay for the police to search my car, because a few people in St. Louis are rioting.

If the job is too stressful or demanding, they should look for another line of work, like painting.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

Better let the Supreme Court know they've been overruled by IMU's life experience ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/28scotus.html

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Plus, "(t)hey have to protect themselves ..." well there's a real laudable bunch of heroes ... nothing more heroic than saving your own ass.

Billy, why are the police an important part of society?
Because they have to protect themselves, teacher.
Very good, Billy; now take this form downtown to get fingerprinted for your safety.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

I'm under no legal obligation to handle my job duties a certain way either, but I do.

Also, the police are mostly overseen on the local and municipal level, and in the occasion of state troopers, the state level. The Supreme Court can only speak on the federal level.

All you pot heads should know this well.

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That was part of the Steely Dan problem. They were perfectionists.

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Wait ... you mean everybody doesn't (essentially) have some of the best session musicians in history (particularly drummers, including "Wendel") come in to record an album over and over and over, send them home, then have the remaining best session guys come in to also record an album over and over and over, and then pick and choose, sometimes down to the individual note, which parts go where?

(all well before the advent of digital recording, too)

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

I think that is what kept them from touring so long until modern stuff now available.

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My understanding is they hated touring, and used that as fuel to 'allow' themselves to be as meticulous as they wanted to be, to use as an excuse to not tour much, if at all .... it all kind of fed on itself.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

You mad the pothead knew more about the cops job?

Not sure why you posted that picture. Guess you just believe every company is as great as their motto is.

And nobody gives a shit about your job. Its not relevant to this discussion as it has nothing to do with the law, life and death, and abuse of constitutional rights.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

I have nothing against potheads. But I find it hard to believe someone could truly care about upholding any laws if they so blatantly disregard laws. You have stated pretty clearly to me that you are for abolishing most federal government, yes? Considering you break federal law I assume somewhat often and you don't believe those laws should exist in the first place...why bring it up to defend your stance?

And here we have that same city's job duty descritpion:

As a sworn member of the Los Angeles Police Department, a Police Officer maintains order, enforces laws and ordinances, and protects life and property; issues citations, makes arrests, prepares reports, and provides information to the public and departmental units; works with neighborhood associations and community members as a planner, community organizer, problem solver and information link; and does related work.

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it's a shame that they waited until Fagen's voice was shot when they finally did decide to tour

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Huh?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Forget it, he's rolling.

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Waiting for the time when I can finally say
That this has all been wonderful, but now I'm on my way

The Supreme Court ruled that the police did not break any federal law. The Supreme Court can only abolish state laws that conflict with federal law or infringe on the rights given to Americans via the Constitution.

There are also local laws and state laws, which seem new to some of you. I would recommend some Googling for those folks. Or maybe a couple of courses at the local community college.

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But they did get things pretty perfect. The guitar solo on Peg was worth it when you hear the ones they rejected, no matter how many legendary sessionists tried it.

This is goin great!

IMU, you do acknowledge that there are some instances of Cops abusing power or bothering people (often times minorities) for no reason?

I acknowledge your misuse of 'their' !

Yes, I acknowledge there is abuse. But I don't think it is some methodical or systematic issue within police forces. I think it is individual punks that have finally been given some sliver of power and abuse it however their personality sees fit. Therefore, it is wrong to aim hostility at the larger group.

Equally important to this issue are the types of people that always feel the need to "rebel" against accepted systems. They always need to be a victim. They have an issue with authority or feel like they should be able to do whatever they like. They do not want to operate within any limits placed on their society, no matter how fair or needed.

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i do

I didn't until just now realize that there were differences of opinion in this thread. Your attention to pointing out the issues is appreciated.

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It's undeniable that minorities, specifically black people are systematically abused by police departments.

NYC basically has/had that as an open policy.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Maybe you and I define abuse differently.

The following is a harsh reality; if local police forces have determined a certain demographic to be problematic, it makes sense to more closely monitor those folks and those streets.

The police have less of a presence in areas with low crime.

Behave.

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