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I feel like Rick started this thread so he could have something to do (argue) at work today.
Well, now that Denny is ignoring my posts because I'm an asshole I have to do something.

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With another 2-3 seasons, Rodgers

Elway & Manning dominate the top of my "most overloved" list though.

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Regular Reader wrote:
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With another 2-3 seasons, Rodgers

Elway & Manning dominate the top of my "most overloved" list though.
How does Marino make that list?

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With another 2-3 seasons, Rodgers

Elway & Manning dominate the top of my "most overloved" list though.
How does Marino make that list?


Because he was the best passer I've ever seen. And he played with avg talent on the field & poor off. coordinators.

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[quote="Regular Reader"Because he was the best passer I've ever seen. And he played with avg talent on the field & poor off. coordinators.[/quote]Peyton basically is the offensive coordinator.

I think one of Peyton's greatest strengths is that they can put virtually anyone out there and they look supremely talented.

The list of WR's and TE's that looked great with him at quarterback is huge.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
redskingreg wrote:
I feel like Rick started this thread so he could have something to do (argue) at work today.
Well, now that Denny is ignoring my posts because I'm an asshole I have to do something.

I just can't believe it took Denny THIS long to figure it out.

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Regular Reader wrote:
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Staubach
Marino
Brady
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With another 2-3 seasons, Rodgers

Elway & Manning dominate the top of my "most overloved" list though.
How does Marino make that list?


Because he was the best passer I've ever seen. And he played with avg talent on the field & poor off. coordinators.

Duper and Clayton were damn good in their time.

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Marino was Manning before the NFL made it easy for QBs and offenses. Unlike Manning he did it with less.

I'm not sure how any objective person can look at the receivers in Denver and say Manning made them better. Everyone except Thomas was already considered great/good.

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Marino was Manning before the NFL made it easy for QBs and offenses. Unlike Manning he did it with less.

I'm not sure how any objective person can look at the receivers in Denver and say Manning made them better. Everyone except Thomas was already considered great/good.

I am thinking that Tebow made them this way, before Manning got there. I am sure Brick will agree.

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Rick is correct. What Manning has done is nothing short of remarkable. It's never been done to the level he has done it with a new team.

Manning is extremely underrated and people tend to overemphasize his playoff record (even though he has 1 ring and 2 SB appearances) :roll: . Those QB's who have multiple SB wins have experienced a lot of luck themselves too. Brady has played for the most stable franchise in the NFL over his career.

Elway is the most overrated QB in NFL history. He was Jay Cutler until he won 2 SB's at the end on the back of Terrell Davis.

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1. Bart Starr+ 104.8 1956-1971 gnb
2. Aaron Rodgers (31) 103.1 2005-2014 gnb
3. Kurt Warner 102.8 1998-2009 2TM
4. Drew Brees (35) 100.7 2001-2014 2TM
5. Joe Montana+ 95.6 1979-1994 2TM
6. Mark Sanchez (28) 94.3 2009-2014 nyj
7. Ken Anderson 93.5 1971-1986 cin
8. Joe Theismann 91.4 1974-1985 was
9. Eli Manning (33) 89.3 2004-2014 nyg
10. Peyton Manning (38) 89.2 1998-2014 2TM
11. Troy Aikman+ 88.3 1989-2000 dal
12. Tom Brady (37) 87.5 2000-2014 nwe
13. Colin Kaepernick (27) 87.3 2011-2014 sfo
14. Brett Favre 86.3 1991-2010 2TM
15. Joe Flacco (29) 86.2 2008-2014 rav
16. Steve Young+ 85.8 1985-1999 sfo
17. Philip Rivers (33) 85.2 2004-2014 sdg
Matt Ryan (29) 85.2 2008-2014 atl
19. Warren Moon+ 84.9 1984-2000 2TM
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Rick is correct. What Manning has done is nothing short of remarkable. It's never been done to the level he has done it with a new team.

Manning is extremely underrated and people tend to overemphasize his playoff record (even though he has 1 ring and 2 SB appearances) :roll: . Those QB's who have multiple SB wins have experienced a lot of luck themselves too. Brady has played for the most stable franchise in the NFL over his career.

Elway is the most overrated QB in NFL history. He was Jay Cutler until he won 2 SB's at the end on the back of Terrell Davis.

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Come on??? You are seriously going to call Elway Cutler before the superbowls?

That is just football stupid.

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Frank Coztansa wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Playoff QB Rating


1. Bart Starr+ 104.8 1956-1971 gnb
2. Aaron Rodgers (31) 103.1 2005-2014 gnb
3. Kurt Warner 102.8 1998-2009 2TM
4. Drew Brees (35) 100.7 2001-2014 2TM
5. Joe Montana+ 95.6 1979-1994 2TM
6. Mark Sanchez (28) 94.3 2009-2014 nyj
7. Ken Anderson 93.5 1971-1986 cin
8. Joe Theismann 91.4 1974-1985 was
9. Eli Manning (33) 89.3 2004-2014 nyg
10. Peyton Manning (38) 89.2 1998-2014 2TM
11. Troy Aikman+ 88.3 1989-2000 dal
12. Tom Brady (37) 87.5 2000-2014 nwe
13. Colin Kaepernick (27) 87.3 2011-2014 sfo
14. Brett Favre 86.3 1991-2010 2TM
15. Joe Flacco (29) 86.2 2008-2014 rav
16. Steve Young+ 85.8 1985-1999 sfo
17. Philip Rivers (33) 85.2 2004-2014 sdg
Matt Ryan (29) 85.2 2008-2014 atl
19. Warren Moon+ 84.9 1984-2000 2TM
20. Jay Cutler 84.8 2010 fompfompfomp


Where is Elway?

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Leash underrates Elway as much as Nas underrates Manning.

Top 5 all time

1. Aaron Rodgers
2. Peyton Manning
3. Joe Montana
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Nas wrote:
Marino was Manning before the NFL made it easy for QBs and offenses. Unlike Manning he did it with less.

I'm not sure how any objective person can look at the receivers in Denver and say Manning made them better. Everyone except Thomas was already considered great/good.

I am thinking that Tebow made them this way, before Manning got there. I am sure Brick will agree.



Demaryius Thomas even looked good with Tebow. We all knew he just needed an average QB to look great. We s Welker was already a stud. Sanders was pretty good too. Julius Thomas is the only one who wasn't.

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I'm not sure how any objective person can look at the receivers in Denver and say Manning made them better. Everyone except Thomas was already considered great/good.
Emmanuel Sanders is already almost at his career highs and that is only 7 games in. Demariyus Thomas more than double his career highs as soon as Peyton got there. Julius Thomas virtually didn't exist in the NFL prior to Manning. Erik Decker had two career years with Manning.

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Come on??? You are seriously going to call Elway Cutler before the superbowls?

That is just football stupid.


It is beyond football stupid. He needs immediate medical attention.

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Demaryius Thomas even looked good with Tebow. We all knew he just needed an average QB to look great. We s Welker was already a stud. Sanders was pretty good too. Julius Thomas is the only one who wasn't.
Most of the players you mentioned had their numbers double as soon as Peyton showed up.

Welker isn't really a good example. He's kind of just been the same as he was with another great qb.

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I'm not sure how any objective person can look at the receivers in Denver and say Manning made them better. Everyone except Thomas was already considered great/good.
Emmanuel Sanders is already almost at his career highs and that is only 7 games in. Demariyus Thomas more than double his career highs as soon as Peyton got there. Julius Thomas virtually didn't exist in the NFL prior to Manning. Erik Decker had two career years with Manning.


Peyton throws the ball a lot. Is that surprising? I believe last I looked Demaryius had a higher yards per catch average with Tebow and hadn't played more than 10 games in his career with shitty to mediocre QBs.

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Come on??? You are seriously going to call Elway Cutler before the superbowls?

That is just football stupid.


Who were you thinking as a comparison? Remember - Jamarcus Russell didn't play nearly as long as Elway.

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Peyton throws the ball a lot. Is that surprising? I believe last I looked Demaryius had a higher yards per catch average with Tebow and hadn't played more than 10 games in his career with shitty to mediocre QBs.
Are you honestly arguing that Peyton doesn't make WR's significantly better?

He's the luckiest guy in NFL history that he happened to play with so many players who just happened to have career years with him throwing the ball.

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Peyton throws the ball a lot. Is that surprising? I believe last I looked Demaryius had a higher yards per catch average with Tebow and hadn't played more than 10 games in his career with shitty to mediocre QBs.
Are you honestly arguing that Peyton doesn't make WR's significantly better?

He's the luckiest guy in NFL history that he happened to play with so many players who just happened to have career years with him throwing the ball.


Peyton Manning is the bizarro Jay Cutler.

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Staubach
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Brady
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With another 2-3 seasons, Rodgers

Elway & Manning dominate the top of my "most overloved" list though.

Glad there's someone else here who has Marino ahead of Elway. Elway consistently being regarded as an obvious top 5 quarterback is rubbish and I hope gets seriously reevaluated one day.


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So many Elway haters. I feel sorry for all of you.

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So many Elway haters. I feel sorry for all of you.

John Elway is literally the worst person in the history of sports. I hope he gets ebola.

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So many Elway haters. I feel sorry for all of you.

John Elway is literally the worst person in the history of sports. I hope he gets ebola.


Even if he got it, he would orchestrate an amazing antibody comeback that would cure the disease.....and then he'd get beat by the Niners.

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Regular Reader wrote:
Staubach
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Brady
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With another 2-3 seasons, Rodgers

Elway & Manning dominate the top of my "most overloved" list though.

Glad there's someone else here who has Marino ahead of Elway. Elway consistently being regarded as an obvious top 5 quarterback is rubbish and I hope gets seriously reevaluated one day.

Im on board with this thinking too.

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Honestly Peyton Manning isn't in my top 5. Regardless of stats he's nowhere near the QB Rodgers is. We saw what Brady could do when you put elite WR's around him. Just imagine what Rodgers would do in Denver

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