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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:41 am 
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There is also a possibility that you get struck by lightning the next time you are outside and its raining, and that I shoot 78 tomorrow on the golf course. Both of those events are incredibly unlikely to happen though.

I will take my chances with the lightning.


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They don't want the panic. I have no idea what is available or not available to treat these patients. I'd bet people are coming in with the flu and being checked for it already. My husband has been flying to and from Cleveland for the last few months. This week he came home sick, we think it is a normal cold but it's a scary unfortunate coincidence that a woman that traveled to Cleveland 2 weeks ago had it. It's not making me crazy but it's not a good feeling either.
If you could transmit ebola without symptoms they'd have a moral and legal obligation to inform the public about it. That isn't a secret that would be kept. It would be figured out pretty quickly and those people would be in huge trouble for putting every healthcare worker at risk. The panic would actually be a good thing. Just think about what would happen to NYC if it could spread from person to person without any symptoms. Pretty much everyone would get it until they shut down the city.
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I think it is contagious and more dangerous than they are letting on if you look at the protective measures they have had to take when caring for the patients. The patients are isolated, you can't handle clothes or bedding and have to be covered head to toe in a suit. That's not done for the normal flu. Look at the goofiness of the first patient in Dallas. So 4 or 5 people have/had it here now. A few have been on planes, in airports, traveling, and probably have gone to stores. If you think about the # of times these people have wiped their nose or put their hands to their mouth and then touched other things there is a possibility others get it.
It's a pretty bad infectious disease. They do the same thing for other major infectious diseases.

The flu is much different. Anyone who has ebola right now would trade it for the flu in a second. Most of us have survived the flu already in our lives.

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There is also a possibility that you get struck by lightning the next time you are outside and its raining, and that I shoot 78 tomorrow on the golf course. Both of those events are incredibly unlikely to happen though.


Or I could die in a car accident or any number of other things. What's your point? That's a simplistic viewpoint of things and events that are no way connected. You have already said your wife has thoughts which you feel are irrational. If you go 180 on the stance it does not make your views rational. They have not handled this well imo and they better get a handle on it soon.


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One hospital in Dallas did not handle it well. Since, things have been handled very well. The CDC's communication on the matter is an entirely different discussion but this NYC case has been proved to be handled 100% according to plan.

Its not like this disease just popped up in NYC. The dr was treating suffering, dying Ebola patients in Africa and contracted it. Just because he rode a subway or touched a bowling ball doesn't mean anything. There are likely 100s of people all over the Chicago metro area with AIDS/HIV that are blowing their noses and using water fountains. It doesn't mean you are going to get AIDS if you use the same water fountain. Now, if this NYC doctor bled all over that bowling ball or shit all over the train, yeah then its time to worry.

People aren't isolated from the flu because DRs know how to treat the flu. We have flu shots, medicines, and effective treatments. Even then, the flu has killed approximately 53,999 MORE people in this country than Ebola has so far this year.

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They have not handled this well imo and they better get a handle on it soon.
One mistake was made at the hospital with the first guy though he may have died no matter what. They've cured basically every other person so far and caught this guy early enough he will likely be fine.

By the way, since you mentioned it, the lady on the flight to Cleveland who had ebola has resulted in 0 cases. So, that seems to be another example of how it doesn't transmit without symptoms.

To be blunt, you basically have no reason to think they are lying.

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One hospital in Dallas did not handle it well. Since, things have been handled very well. The CDC's communication on the matter is an entirely different discussion but this NYC case has been proved to be handled 100% according to plan.

Its not like this disease just popped up in NYC. The dr was treating suffering, dying Ebola patients in Africa and contracted it. Just because he rode a subway or touched a bowling ball doesn't mean anything. There are likely 100s of people all over the Chicago metro area with AIDS/HIV that are blowing their noses and using water fountains. It doesn't mean you are going to get AIDS if you use the same water fountain. Now, if this NYC doctor bled all over that bowling ball or shit all over the train, yeah then its time to worry.

People aren't isolated from the flu because DRs know how to treat the flu. We have flu shots, medicines, and effective treatments. Even then, the flu has killed approximately 53,999 MORE people in this country than Ebola has so far this year.


This has not been handled well, imo.

The rest of your post is not pertinent to this discussion. We know AIDS is not spread through saliva and mucus. I have no idea what goes into flu death statistics, I'm going to guess you don't either. As far as I can tell there are large differences between the flu and ebola. I don't think you fully understand why people that have the flu aren't isolated and find your view to be simplistic.


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I don't think you fully understand why people that have the flu aren't isolated and find your view to be simplistic.
You are literally just making stuff up with no basis behind it besides "I think".

For the first time ever on this board, Frank isn't being simplistic.

Just kidding Frank.

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The rest of your post is not pertinent to this discussion.
If its not relevant, then why did you bring up the flu?

Some of the symptoms of the flu are aches, fever, fatigue, and vomitting. Those symptoms are the EXACT same as most of the Ebola symptoms.

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It also should be pointed out that many diseases that are still causing serious havoc in Africa are treated here with significantly better results.

It will be interesting if this 100% effective(in trials with monkeys) vaccine they are starting to give will be accepted by everyone in America.

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There’s been a lot of tut-tutting about the people who are overreacting to the Ebola virus. There was the lady who showed up at the airport in a homemade hazmat suit. There were the hundreds of parents in Mississippi who pulled their kids from school because the principal had traveled to Zambia, a country in southern Africa untouched by the Ebola outbreak in the western region of the continent. There was the school district in Ohio that closed a middle school and an elementary school because an employee might have flown on the same plane (not even the same flight) as an Ebola-infected health care worker.

The critics point out that these people are behaving hysterically, all out of proportion to the scientific risks, which, of course, is true. But the critics misunderstand what’s going on here. Fear isn’t only a function of risk; it’s a function of isolation. We live in a society almost perfectly suited for contagions of hysteria and overreaction.

In the first place, we’re living in a segmented society. Over the past few decades we’ve seen a pervasive increase in the gaps between different social classes. People are much less likely to marry across social class, or to join a club and befriend people across social class.

That means there are many more people who feel completely alienated from the leadership class of this country, whether it’s the political, cultural or scientific leadership. They don’t know people in authority. They perceive a vast status gap between themselves and people in authority. They may harbor feelings of intellectual inferiority toward people in authority. It becomes easy to wave away the whole lot of them, and that distrust isolates them further. “What loneliness is more lonely than distrust,” George Eliot writes in “Middlemarch.”

So you get the rise of the anti-vaccine parents, who simply distrust the cloud of experts telling them that vaccines are safe for their children. You get the rise of the anti-science folks, who distrust the realm of far-off studies and prefer anecdotes from friends to data about populations. You get more and more people who simply do not believe what the establishment is telling them about the Ebola virus, especially since the establishment doesn’t seem particularly competent anyway.

Second, you’ve got a large group of people who are bone-deep suspicious of globalization, what it does to their jobs and their communities. Along comes Ebola, which is the perfect biological embodiment of what many fear about globalization. It is a dark insidious force from a mysterious place far away that seems to be able to spread uncontrollably and get into the intimate spheres of life back home.

Third, you’ve got the culture of instant news. It’s a weird phenomenon of the media age that, except in extreme circumstances, it is a lot scarier to follow an event on TV than it is to actually be there covering it. When you’re watching on TV, you only see the death and mayhem. But when you’re actually there, you see the broader context of everyday life going on alongside. Studies of the Boston Marathon bombing found that people who consumed a lot of news media during the first week suffered more stress than people who were actually there.

Fourth, you’ve got our culture’s tendency to distance itself from death. Philip Roth once wrote: “In every calm and reasonable person there is a hidden second person scared witless about death.” In cultures where death is more present, or at least dealt with more commonly, people are more familiar with that second person, and people can think a bit more clearly about risks of death in any given moment.

In cultures where people deal with death by simply getting it out of their minds, the prospect of sudden savage death, even if extremely unlikely, can arouse a mental fog of fear, and an unmoored and utopian desire to want to reduce the risk of early death to zero, all other considerations be damned.

Given all these conditions, you wind up with an emotional spiral that develops its own momentum.

CThe Ebola crisis has aroused its own flavor of fear. It’s not the heart-pounding fear you might feel if you were running away from a bear or some distinct threat. It’s a sour, existential fear. It’s a fear you feel when the whole environment seems hostile, when the things that are supposed to keep you safe, like national borders and national authorities, seem porous and ineffective, when some menace is hard to understand.

In these circumstances, skepticism about authority turns into corrosive cynicism. People seek to build walls, to pull in the circle of trust. They become afraid. Fear, of course, breeds fear. Fear is a fog that alters perception and clouds thought. Fear is, in the novelist Yann Martel’s words, “a wordless darkness.”

Ebola is a treacherous adversary. It’s found a weakness in our bodies. Worse, it exploits the weakness in the fabric of our culture.


Could not agree more. If we were in West Africa I would say that we would have every reason to be afraid. Someone we know will likely die from it. We have zero reason to be concerned in America. The media has basically ignored what is happening to people over there. It's all about the 3 or 4 cases in America.

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I just flew through Dallas last week. My wife and I got a fever and cold this week. Never once did I think it was Ebola. Probably because I wasnt touching blood from someone's eyesocket or digging through fecal matter of an infected patient.

The nurses with the first patient fucked up and it has been acknowledged. They changed procedures to correct their mistakes. The nurses are both fine now. I think if it was as contagious as the flu the people that were quarantined in Dallas originally would have caught it. They didnt. If someone didnt catch it who slept in the same bed as the only deceased infected patient in the US, then I dont think your husband should worry about flying to a major city. (Unless he is a CDC doctor treating a patient).

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I just flew through Dallas last week. My wife and I got a fever and cold this week. Never once did I think it was Ebola. Probably because I wasnt touching blood from someone's eyesocket or digging through fecal matter of an infected patient.

The nurses with the first patient fucked up and it has been acknowledged. They changed procedures to correct their mistakes. The nurses are both fine now. I think if it was as contagious as the flu the people that were quarantined in Dallas originally would have caught it. They didnt. If someone didnt catch it who slept in the same bed as the only deceased infected patient in the US, then I dont think your husband should worry about flying to a major city. (Unless he is a CDC doctor treating a patient).

This guy gets it. (Not ebola)

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I just flew through Dallas last week. My wife and I got a fever and cold this week. Never once did I think it was Ebola. Probably because I wasnt touching blood from someone's eyesocket or digging through fecal matter of an infected patient.

The nurses with the first patient fucked up and it has been acknowledged. They changed procedures to correct their mistakes. The nurses are both fine now. I think if it was as contagious as the flu the people that were quarantined in Dallas originally would have caught it. They didnt. If someone didnt catch it who slept in the same bed as the only deceased infected patient in the US, then I dont think your husband should worry about flying to a major city. (Unless he is a CDC doctor treating a patient).


To your point ....

On 20 July 2014, Patrick Sawyer flew via ASKY Airlines from James Spriggs Payne Airport in Monrovia, Liberia to Murtala Muhammed International Airport in Nigeria's former capital Lagos, with a stopover at Lomé in Togo.

He was subsequently described as having appeared to be "terribly ill" when he left Monrovia. He collapsed upon arriving at Lagos Murtala Muhammed International Airport.


He was in such a late stage he collapsed directly after getting out of a confined area with tens or hundreds of people in close proximity to him for hours including a layover.

No transmission occurred on that plane.

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C Howitt Fealz was on the same flight.

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Its over, its all over Pham? She'll probably want it again an hour later.


DALLAS — Texas nurse Nina Pham, one of two caregivers to contract Ebola from Liberian Thomas Eric Duncan, is now free of the deadly virus, the National Institutes of Health announced on Friday.

The federal medical research agency says Pham will be discharged from its facility.

“She has no virus in her,” said Dr. Tony Fauci, NIH director. “She feels well.”

The 26-year-old Pham arrived last week at the NIH Clinical Center in Bethesda, Maryland. She had been flown there from Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas.

Pham, who arrived at the news conference flanked by her mother and sister, was quick to thank her family, friends and Ebola survivor Dr. Kent Brantly, who donated a blood transfusion to Pham.

“I am on my way back to recovery even as I reflect on how many others have not been so fortunate,” Pham said. “I believe in the power in prayer.”

“The Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas family is thrilled that Nina Pham is Ebola-free and on her way home. Her colleagues and friends eagerly look forward to welcoming her back," hospital officials said in a statement. "Her courage and spirit, first in treating a critically ill Ebola patient and then in winning her own battle against the disease, has truly inspired all of us.”

On Wednesday, the family of Amber Vinson — the other nurse who was infected with Ebola while treating Duncan — said the 29-year-old is in good condition at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta.

Investigators have not determined how Pham and Vinson specifically contracted the disease from Duncan, who died on his 10th day of intensive care at Texas Health Presbyterian.

Pham, a nurse for four years, was the first hospital employee to become ill. She reportedly felt a fever while at home two days after Duncan's death and drove herself to the hospital's ER. Her Ebola was confirmed on Oct. 12. It was the first time the deadly virus has been transmitted in the United States.

Vinson was diagnosed on Oct. 14.

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I think the authorities are lying, and Ebola actually turns you into a monkey. I have no basis for this thought, but it's just how I feel.

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I think the authorities are lying, and Ebola actually turns you into a monkey. I have no basis for this thought, but it's just how I feel.

That must be what happened to these kids:

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A high school football coach in Charleston, South Carolina, was fired after he permitted a post-game celebratory ritual involving a watermelon that some say is racist.

After a parent reported the "watermelon ritual" to the school board, the Charleston County School District launched an investigation and ultimately fired Academic Magnet High School coach Bud Walpole, according to CNN affiliate WCSC.

"Players would gather in a circle and smash the watermelon while others were either standing in a group or locking arms and making chanting sounds described as, 'Ooh, ooh, ooh,'" school district Superintendent Nancy McGinley said, describing the noises as "monkey sounds." The watermelon was decorated with caricatures drawn with Sharpie markers, she added.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/us/coach-fired-watermelon-ritual-irpt/

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I think the authorities are lying, and Ebola actually turns you into a monkey. I have no basis for this thought, but it's just how I feel.

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I think the authorities are lying, and Ebola actually turns you into a monkey. I have no basis for this thought, but it's just how I feel.

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A high school football coach in Charleston, South Carolina, was fired after he permitted a post-game celebratory ritual involving a watermelon that some say is racist.

After a parent reported the "watermelon ritual" to the school board, the Charleston County School District launched an investigation and ultimately fired Academic Magnet High School coach Bud Walpole, according to CNN affiliate WCSC.

"Players would gather in a circle and smash the watermelon while others were either standing in a group or locking arms and making chanting sounds described as, 'Ooh, ooh, ooh,'" school district Superintendent Nancy McGinley said, describing the noises as "monkey sounds." The watermelon was decorated with caricatures drawn with Sharpie markers, she added.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/us/coach-fired-watermelon-ritual-irpt/

So I guess theres no use putting my "use fried chicken instead" into the suggestion box?

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"Players would gather in a circle and smash the watermelon while others were either standing in a group or locking arms and making chanting sounds described as, 'Ooh, ooh, ooh,'" school district Superintendent Nancy McGinley said, describing the noises as "monkey sounds." The watermelon was decorated with caricatures drawn with Sharpie markers, she added.


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I think the authorities are lying, and Ebola actually turns you into a monkey. I have no basis for this thought, but it's just how I feel.

That must be what happened to these kids:

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A high school football coach in Charleston, South Carolina, was fired after he permitted a post-game celebratory ritual involving a watermelon that some say is racist.

After a parent reported the "watermelon ritual" to the school board, the Charleston County School District launched an investigation and ultimately fired Academic Magnet High School coach Bud Walpole, according to CNN affiliate WCSC.

"Players would gather in a circle and smash the watermelon while others were either standing in a group or locking arms and making chanting sounds described as, 'Ooh, ooh, ooh,'" school district Superintendent Nancy McGinley said, describing the noises as "monkey sounds." The watermelon was decorated with caricatures drawn with Sharpie markers, she added.


It's South Carolina
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/22/us/coach-fired-watermelon-ritual-irpt/

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Bud Walpole....

Have you ever met someone named Bud that wasn't racist?

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Son, you have just got to step up your trolling game.

The Board had such lofty expectations & now you're even too lazy to start your daily thread. Disappointing on Bernstein-ian levels if you ask me.

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Bud Walpole....

Have you ever met someone named Bud that wasn't racist?


you may be on to something...


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