you hired Theo to find the NEXT Joe Maddon...but whatever, enjoy Dusty Pinella.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
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Nobody trolls like the Dolphin.

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You think it's easy work pointing out this bullshit?

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Was Theo part of the group that also threw Francona under the bus on his way out of Boston? If so, that should make for an incredibly disturbing trend over the past five years for any manager thinking of being in his employment.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Joe Maddon wWAR: -22.1

Hey, that's a little better than Cap Anson and he is a full fledged Cubby Chubby!

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Seamless transition

"Among active managers, Dusty Baker of the Cincinnati Reds, Mike Scioscia of the Los Angeles Angels, Mike Matheny of the St. Louis Cardinals and Joe Maddon of the Tampa Bay Rays speak Spanish fluently"

The question is does he know Ricky's Magic Spanish?

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Wait Renteria doesnt even speak Spanish? I thought that was one of the selling points.

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I agree with that.

With that being said, if choosing between Ricky and Joe, you go with Joe.

good dolphin is on fire today tearing down the hopes and fantasies of Cubbie Nation.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

He does. It was an old article

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Perfect example of no matter what the Cubs do guys like dolphin are going to mock them.

If they had come out immediately after the news of Maddon leaving the Rays and said we are not interested in Maddon, then this thread would have been mocking them for passing on the manager that they need.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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From twitter feed of @dan_bernstein:

Dan Bernstein @dan_bernstein · 57 minutes ago
‏#Cubs plan to talk to Maddon. Could still try to retain Renteria in some capacity, if it works.

attack the messenger...bully

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I wonder if Theo Epstein ever switched dates midway through the dance when another girl showed interest.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Renteria would have to have no dignity to accept it.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
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pay Theo huge money to build an impeccable network of scouting and development then tank seasons because they can only find players at the top of the draft

hire managers after exhaustive searches but fire each of them before either can prove themselves

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Yes you did.

Hmmmm if I'm Theo do I invest 2-3 season on an unknown manager and hope he becomes Maddon? Ooooooooor do I hire the known quantity who thrived in an organization dedicated to developing young players and using advanced metrics to dictate management decisions. Who has extensive post season experience and has been to the World Series.

I know what I'd do. And we all know GD is a die hard Ventura guy. Lights up a room!

I'm sure the gang at MSFMB applauds you for posting bad thoughts here

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And men have lost their reason.

You don't need to find the next one when you can just go ahead and get Joe Maddon.

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You know me like that.

But does he light up a room?!?!?

Do you want me to deluge you with quotes about making decisions for the long term or will you concede that they were spoken?

If that is your operating principle, then yes, you rely on your superior skills in hiring for which you are being paid well above market and stay with the guy who is at least semi known to you.

If they truly relied on advanced metrics in decision making, they would understand there is almost no statistical difference between Joe Maddon and Ricky Renteria in the manager's chair

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TB going to investigate Cubs for tampering.

'atta boy, Theo!!

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You know me like that.

of course you do, if you are devoted to long term success

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Renteria' bullpen management and insistence on bunting disagrees.

That which cannot be quantified is discarded

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Meatpants died his hair?

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We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

How does hiring Joe Maddon for 5 years hurt your long-term team prospects? Especially now, when pieces are starting to come into place.

It doesn't.

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You know me like that.

Noted. Bigfan please delete thread.